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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2013, 01:27:06 pm »

  Fingers,,,Major 2,, Many thanks . It appears this 51 is a 94 model ,,,i will have more questions about what i can & can't do with a brass framed unit ,,i don't really shoot "BP",,BUT I SURE LIKE THE FEEL OF THI PIECE.






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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2013, 03:40:54 pm »

I like the feel of all the '51's, just seem to point and hit where you point and shoot.
I would like to try the "Never Was". The Pietta '51 44. As I understand that one has the navy frame(in 44) and grips. The only reason I don't have a '51 currently is that I shoot 44's.
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2013, 07:27:11 pm »

 Howdy ,Halfway , Like i stated befor, this 51 has never had a cap snaped on it. But from what i'v been reading here on the forum's ye can't convert the brass frame to shoot cartrages. I'll just play with this one you know sort of get the feel of handleing  and pointing, maybe later trade for a steel frame or one already converted. I have been told the differance between army & navy,, but holing this navy,,,, i  now know what the boys were talking about.



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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2013, 10:38:55 pm »

Hey Halfway, the navy 51 i just picked up says pietta .44 on the barrel, but the frame is brass am i thinking wrong here, or does pietta  mean steel frame ? And i discovered,, my big ,narrrrrley hands are the wrong size for navy frames ,but  man it still  feels handy. I  been thinking a 72 ( army) would be nice,and if they fell as good as the 51's ,,oh well  i'm still look'n & learn'n.
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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2013, 03:30:57 pm »

I think they make/made both the brasser and the steel frame in the "NeverWas" 44 '51 Colt repro. but I do not know for sure.
"NeverWas" is reference to the fact that Colt never produced the "51 in 44 cal.
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« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2013, 01:00:58 am »

Thanks Halfway,, some of this info., never was- never is - never should -never will ,,,,but why didn't they?Huh? ,o'l son i got me some learn'n to do.



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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2013, 09:43:46 am »

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« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2013, 12:36:24 pm »

Even though I refer to them as "NeverWas" I would like to handle and shoot one in steel frame to see if it points and handles as well as the '51 36's do. The 1860 NMA 44 is just too big for my small hands for me to do it justice, were as, the 51 Colts are just about perfect. They would be perfect if made in 44. IMO!
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« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2013, 07:07:18 pm »

Halfway,,soooo what your say'n ,,is this "1851 REB. Nord NAVY cal. 44" ( authantic repro. by F.LLI Pietta ) is really a " never was"Huh?

 Is that because it wasn't made in .44 ,,,#%*#%* the more i try to ask about this the mooore cornfused i are. I better luuk up some history on this here computor. 


  All help is really appreiciated.


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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2013, 10:20:14 pm »

As already indicated, this particular Colt configuration - and the "Navy" designation applied to it - was a .36 caliber revolver only.  Also, with this reproduction being referred to as a "Reb" I assume it is brass framed .... something else Colt never made!  (Not strong enough ....)
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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2013, 11:03:35 pm »

The Reb's did produce Colt copies with Brass Frames because the south did not have the styeel resources that the North did, so the "reb" names. there were Griswold (sic) and Gunnison, and Leech & Rigdon that built Colt Copies for the south during the Civil war. Unfortunately as stated above, the Reb designation of the 51' 44 is only a marketing ploy. there were never any, North or South, 44  1851 Colt or Colt Copy.

That said, enjoy your new Pistola, and learn to shoot it, study and research. We have all been where you are now.
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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2013, 11:57:12 pm »

The Reb's did produce Colt copies with Brass Frames because the south did not have the styeel resources that the North did, so the "reb" names. there were Griswold (sic) and Gunnison, and Leech & Rigdon that built Colt Copies for the south during the Civil war. Unfortunately as stated above, the Reb designation of the 51' 44 is only a marketing ploy. there were never any, North or South, 44  1851 Colt or Colt Copy.

That said, enjoy your new Pistola, and learn to shoot it, study and research. We have all been where you are now.

Charlie, the Confederate brass framed revolvers based on Col. Colt's design were the Griswold & Gunnison (approx 3700 made) and the Schneider and Glassick (<50 made).  The other brass framed revolver was the Spiller & Burr (< 1500 made) which was a copy of the 1861 Whitney revolver, and the Cofer revolver (around 100 made).  The Leech and Rigdon, Rigdon and Ansley, and CH Rigdon Augusta models (combine total of around 2500 made) were iron framed. All of which (brass & iron) were .36 caliber.

There were some iron framed .44 cal revolvers made; albeit very few.  The JH Dance and the Tucker and Sherrard; but they were based on the 3rd model Dragoons.

Slamfire, as Charlie said, enjoy your new pistola.  AFAIC, any BP C&B revolver is better than none.  My first one was a brass framed .36, and I still have a few.

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« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2013, 12:59:52 pm »

Thanks for clearing that up that. I am not as up on the CSA mfg.'s as I should be. I knew about the Dance Bros, having seen an original at a show once. Never knew the L & R was Steel Framed.
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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2013, 01:31:38 pm »

Many thanks to ya'll, i'v been read'n on here & other sourses about 1800's ( fire arms). The pard i bought my .44 from also has a .36 ( reb) never fired,,same weight & size ,,didn't want to sell. After seeing some of the 51 conversions ,i'm  highly impressed, and i know that's what i want,,,,just  which one ,,51, 60, or 72,, i got'a get off here my little head hurts.






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« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2013, 08:42:34 pm »

One of my first posts. After having a pair of Cimarron MWNN conversions (one with snakes on both sides like Blondie's and one plain like Tuco;s) I had to have something a little extra. When I saw these on GB these had to be added to the collection. 1851 Colts with Kirst Conversions + sleeved barrels so they will shoot regular flat nose .38 specials with hand carved Hickok Liberty Eagle elephant ivory grips done by Jerry Meacham.




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« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2013, 08:49:53 pm »

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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2013, 06:36:40 am »

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« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2013, 04:58:18 pm »

There was one more .44 colt copy made for the south during the war for independence from the North. It was made in Richardson Texas by the Richardson Arms Company, based on the 2nd model Dragoon. They only made a few when the hostilities ceased and the occupation started an still continues. They were ironed framed.
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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2013, 08:45:46 pm »

carolina, nice indeed!  Those wood grips have some nice figure to them as well.
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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2013, 04:11:39 am »

My ASM (I Think) .44 Cal '51 Colt .... I know, I know, the gun that never was ... but it was cheap used and the larger bore goes 'Boom' better for reenacting ....



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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2013, 05:20:59 pm »

Maybe instead of saying "the gun that never was" it should be "the gun that should have been" or "the gun that they wish they did if they had the technology we do today".  Wink
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« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2013, 07:26:02 pm »

Hi,,

I have to admit that I  like this weapon, even tho I have never fired a bullet with it ...only lots and lots of floral foam ... it goes 'BOOM' 90% of the time....

And even though I do not do bullets in it, it is nice to know that in a real situation I could trust on the bullets to do the damage necessary ...

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« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2013, 08:08:39 am »

In a sticky thread, I showed the transformation of this one.

It is Pietta I acquired in a trade for some leather work....

It has had the grip re-profiled  & the barrel "lawyer inspired" roll script removed & polished ( de-farbed)
I've shortened the barrel to 5 3/16 " like the original it replicates.

 


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