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« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2013, 04:40:23 pm »

Thanks guys!
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« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2013, 05:40:06 pm »

Wow, just . . .wow
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« Reply #77 on: October 31, 2013, 01:05:04 pm »

While not as fancy as what CraigC shows us, (and I really do like that revovler), I still like this one.


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« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2013, 02:00:05 pm »

CraigC, that Opentop is just incredibly fine!  Thanks for sharing.

Strawhat, that is a good looking gun in a nicely arranged picture, but as an 1860 conversion it really should be in the 1860 pictures topic here:

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,45955.0.html
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« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2013, 06:09:16 am »

My digital camera died just recently, so I've had to use my iPhone to take these.  I'm afraid the images aren't that good.  As soon as I replace my camera I'll take some proper pics of them.  'Til then, these will have to do.

When I started this project my goal was to have a pair of guns that would eventually become as close to original Colt 1872 Open Top's as possible in fit and finish.  I think the end result was a success.

There were a number of gunsmiths and artisans involved in this project; an endeavour that took over three years.

About the guns -

Every piece has been hand fitted so that there isn't one line or surface that doesn't mate perfectly.
Every piece has been polished to perfection.  The bluing is wonderful.  When compared to other guns I own there is a marked difference in the bluing due to the polishing and the process used to achieve this finish.
The screws, wedge, trigger and ejector rod head have been nitre blued.
The frame, loading gate and hammer have been bone and charcoal casehardened.
The back strap and trigger guard have been silver plated.
The one piece ivory grips have been hand checkered.  A set of oiled walnut grips were also fitted.
And finally, the guns have been chambered to fire the .44 Henry CF cartridge that I designed.  It's basically a .44 Colt case with a heeled bullet.  I wanted the guns to be historically accurate and be chambered for the same round that the 1860 Henry rifle is (was) chambered for.  I converted my 1860 Henry to chamber a cartridge that uses a .44 Colt case and a heeled bullet that's 0.452" diameter outside measured.  My Henry cartridge uses a 225 gr bullet.  While these guns will shoot it with no problems, the recoil of that round is excessive.  So I use a 165 gr bullet with them to reduce the recoil and prolong the life of the guns.  They are very accurate with either cartridge.



















On the left is my .44 Henry CF cartridge using a 225 gr heeled bullet.  On the right is the .44 Colt cartridge using a 165 gr heeled bullet that I use in these guns to reduce the recoil and punishment placed on them.


In the foreground are the Henry and Colt cartridges, and a 12 gauge brass shell.
In the center are a .44 2-1/4" (.44-77) SBN (Sharps Bottle Neck) with a paper patched 407 grn swaged bullet, and a .45 2-1.10" (.45-70) with a 500 grn jacketed soft point.  Both hit like freight trains out of my Sharps rifles.
In the rear are a Randall Toothpick with ivory scales, and a Sambar Stag handled Randall Skinner with damascus blade.
An 1849 Baby Dragoon rounds out the picture.


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« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2013, 07:01:37 am »

Very nice, Seth, very nice.
Good decision to stay away from the 225 grainers in your .44 Henry CF for the Open Top.
Here is my recent experience with .44 Colt factory ammo from BH in open top design conversions, namely smokeless behind 230 grainers: while attending a CAS match in TX I had to load my Centaure LCCs with this factory  ammo.
They resulted in a MIP of almost 170.
Significant recoil and muzzle flip of my 5,5" pistols. During the 6th (last) stage and the last pistol round finally the wedge of one of the LCCs had worked its way out of the gun from recoil although I had checked them after each stage.
Found it later in the grass. No harm done to pistols, shooter or bystanders.
IMHO such a round is definitively to hard on open top type pistols.
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« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2013, 09:57:10 am »

Beautiful. Does your round differ from a .44 Colt Original?

It looks just like the .44 Colt brass loaded with a heeled .451 bullet that I had loaded for my Colt Second Generation 1860 conversion.

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« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2013, 10:29:42 am »

Beautiful. Does your round differ from a .44 Colt Original?

It looks just like the .44 Colt brass loaded with a heeled .451 bullet that I had loaded for my Colt Second Generation 1860 conversion.

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I wasn't trying to duplicate an original 44 Colt round for the pistols.  I was just trying to develop a round that put the least amount of stress on my guns.  I experimented with a number of different bullet weights and styles that I got from Bernie.  There was a hollow-based bullet that showed a lot of promise, but they are a PITA to cast, so I ruled it out.  This bullet was #2.  He made a 4-cavity mould for me so I can crank these out when I cast.  It's outside diameter is 0.452".
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« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2013, 04:18:01 pm »

I suspect that you can load yours a good bit hotter for the Opentop than I would dare to do for the 1860 conversion.

I am also interested in what it took to convert your Henry to this round.  I might be tempted to do something similar to my 66.

I also like the silver plated trigger guard and backstrap.

Thanks,

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« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2013, 05:23:30 pm »

For the Henry conversion -

I bought a new .45-cal barrel.  I then had a custom chamber made.  This was "pressed" into the breach of the barrel.  I'm not sure if that's the correct terminology for that, or if that's the correct order that things were done in.  I know the new barrel was a .45 Colt barrel, which is what is needed for the bullet.  But it's obviously too big for the cartridge.  So a new chamber was made for the cartridge.  IIRC, the 'smith who did the work basically reamed out the .45 Colt chamber, then "inserted" a new chamber.  I don't recall if the new insert was already reamed to the proper size, or if it was sized after it was installed.  And a bolt was modified to accommodate the .44 Colt's dimensions, which includes the extractor and ejector "fingers".

If your conversion is a true conversion of an 1860 C&B I would say yes, I can load mine much hotter than you can.

The silver plating on the back strap & trigger guard make them kinda "disappear" when you're looking at the grips.  It's an odd trick of the eye.
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« Reply #85 on: December 13, 2013, 11:38:41 am »

Seth,

You did a great job on both the revolvers and the rifle (could you post a picture of the rifle when your camera is back working?).

I spent so much on the revolvers, that I may just try to trade the 66 for a 73 in .44-40 and figure that .44 Colt revolvers -. 44 Winchester rifle combos are what many cowboys, outlaws, and lawmen would have carried in the early 1870s.

Thanks,

Justician

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« Reply #86 on: December 13, 2013, 12:38:08 pm »

I have a few pics of my rifle in the "1860 Henry" forum.  In there, look in the ".44 Henry CF Ammo" thread.
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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2013, 08:06:42 pm »

Thanks, I will.

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« Reply #88 on: January 02, 2014, 10:26:45 am »

Just gave myself a to-me/from-me Christmas gift, a pair of 1871s in 45 Colt.  Smooth as silk!

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« Reply #89 on: January 02, 2014, 10:53:14 am »

Isn't it amazing that when you buy for yourself you tend to get what you want?
They look great!

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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2014, 12:23:14 am »

Awesome pair!  Grin
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« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2014, 03:20:13 pm »

One of my 1871s in action.  This picture was taken at the FL State match by a photographer for a St, Augustine tourism site.  The whole slideshow is here: http://staugustine.com/slideshow/home-page/2014-01-12/slideshow-single-action-shooting-society-state-championship#slide-1


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« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2014, 03:52:33 pm »

Awesome Pic!  Gotta love those flames!  ( causes a little… stir... in my nether regions  Wink )
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« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2014, 06:53:19 pm »

They are beautiful and you shoot them superbly.
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« Reply #94 on: May 01, 2014, 10:09:52 am »

Here is my two Open Tops both in 44 Colt. They aren't to pretty but I shoot them alot, have had them for years with no trouble. I know alot of people like the new look of guns which is great if that is what they like, but I never did like pretty guns, for if they are to pretty, they are being looked at, and not shot. No offense just my veiw.
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« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2014, 03:40:47 am »

Nice looking guns, Reno.  I like a little patina on my guns, too.
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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2014, 11:09:20 am »

Just thought I would chime in with another woman's perspective... I have 1871 Open Tops and I absolutely ADORE them.  Some women may not like the weight, but I really like it.  I don't even notice cuz I'm focused on the shooting.  I shoot mine nightly in the shootout gang.  I do fast draw, rapid fanning, quick reload and a spin or two with mine during the show.  It is one of the few guns that will handle the rigors of what I put it though and never misfire.  Weight is not an issue.  It may take a while for your wife to get used to it, but she just might end up with a full blown love affair with it as I have with mine. 
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« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2014, 05:55:55 am »

Hello, finally got myself a pair of open tops and after about 4 months from first answering the add, to the end, I love them, they are excellent guns, when I received them the uberti case colors had faded and one had a nasty drag line. I sent them to Joe Perkins of classic single actions and had a full action job done, forcing cone, rear sight widened, cylinders honed and chamfered, screws hardened and replaced the firing pins with smith shop tool steel pins, also had the safety in the hammer welded up and hidden, to top it all off they were antiqued with antique walnut grips added. Joe did an amazing job and they were well worth the wait and investment, unfortunately one of them is a little sensitive and over rotates if not worked just right, the other can handle being operated at a decent speed.

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« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2014, 07:15:54 am »

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« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2014, 02:00:17 pm »

Good lookin' case colors on that one!
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