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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2012, 11:02:59 am »

I suppose we should explain these things as they come up Wink

The Great Western was an early version marketed by EMF. When they stopped selling ASM pistols and went to Pietta manufactured ones. Boyd had Pietta roll mark his model as the "Great Western II" (I suppose as a tribute to the first SAA clone he sold).

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You listed Pietta and Great Western as separate clones. My Pietta is stamped “GREAT WESTERN II “, on the top of the barrel.
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2012, 01:19:36 pm »

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I'm a little confused.  Is there more than one Walt at EMF?  The owner is Boyd (U.S. Grant) and the Walt at EMF I know about used to be with TTN until Cimarron took them over.  Was he at EMF before TTN?  Thanks.

And to Old Doc, I certainly don't know for sure about COWS and ASM, but I know that GOTW has made many a glaring error over the years  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2012, 01:40:46 pm »

Old age wins again!

I was doing a lot of talking with Walt (the one you are referring to) about the Pepperbox conversion lately and know better but used Walt in place of Boyd Tongue
Walt was at the "Blank Guns" part of EMF and joined EMF after they split the blank guns portion off.

I have fixed my posts above.

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2012, 01:55:41 pm »

I know what you mean about old age.  Ar at least I, uh... what were we talking about?   Grin
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2012, 05:57:48 pm »

The Real Great Western SA
http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collecting-firearm-collecting/the-first-colt-clone
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2012, 07:49:53 pm »

Thanks for the input.  I might just have to pick it up.  If I do, I'll let you know how it comes out.  Again, thanks for responding on the Bisley question!
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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2012, 01:23:17 pm »


Adding a bit of information, I have been able to rebuild the lock works of several ASM SA clones using Pietta parts.  Some fitting required.  I still haven't found parts for the ASM 1851/1861 Conversions.  By the way, anybody have a pair of barrel assemblies for ASM, .38 Cal, 7 1/2 inch barrel??? Ime rebuilding two more ASM conversions.

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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2012, 12:36:56 pm »

Beside my Colt SAA .45 I have a Western Marshal 38/357 from J.P.Sauer. It is a great gun. See pics.


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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2012, 09:43:04 pm »

Adding a bit of information, I have been able to rebuild the lock works of several ASM SA clones using Pietta parts.  Some fitting required.  I still haven't found parts for the ASM 1851/1861 Conversions.  By the way, anybody have a pair of barrel assemblies for ASM, .38 Cal, 7 1/2 inch barrel??? Ime rebuilding two more ASM conversions.

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Yea......good luck Undecided

I too use parts (frequently) from the other Italian makers to repair the ASM's. But it is a challenge and a bit of a compromise most of the time!

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2012, 11:01:51 pm »


Based on recent information, we can add USFA to the list of "use to be."   Another one bites the dust.

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 03:23:34 am »

Would you concider adding "Colt" themselves to the clone list ?

The short lived Colt "Cowboy" was made under licence to Colt,  in Germany
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2012, 08:16:43 pm »

I think that is a legit distinction and example.  I see it as any frame cast or forged as a reproduction of the original SAA.

Where those really made overseas?  No wonder they were such a flop.

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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2012, 10:11:59 pm »

The Colt Cowboy frame was made in Czechoslovakia.
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2012, 02:06:28 pm »

I failed to notice KBI. I have a pair of Liberty II's in 44-40.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2012, 05:31:53 pm »

KBI Liberty was built by Armi San Marco and then Pietta.
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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2012, 09:32:31 pm »

Just thought of another.  Texas Longhorn Arms.
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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2012, 11:37:16 pm »

American Western Arms Ultimate 1873.
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2012, 08:44:06 am »

TLA is a unique beast.  As a scholarly matter, I’d say it’s not really a clone, but a post modern, perfected single action.  I do understand that its cylinder frame blank was cast by Pine Tree Casting, IE, Ruger.

Just thinking in terms of frames and components, AWA ultimate is a Pietta build.  They are rightfully said to be made in America, but Pietta renders the raw components.
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2012, 11:11:08 am »

IMHO, if you're gonna count TLA, then you have to count every other single action revolver manufacturer. They made some fixed sight guns that looked like Colt SAA's but as far as I know, all of Grover's guns were on a large, .44Mag sized frame. They were also mirror image guns with the loading gate and ejector on the wrong side.  Wink

Same for the big J.P. Sauer and Herter's sixguns. Similar but larger. Different enough to NOT consider them a Colt SAA replica.
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