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« on: April 04, 2012, 10:28:32 pm »


Cowboys, if you want to see a great collection rare and historic old west guns you owe it to yourself to visit the Frazier museum in Louisville, KY.


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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 06:04:07 am »

That's real nice.  Looks like a wonderful place to visit.  Another place worth visiting is the little museum at Chickamauga National Battlefield.  It has an extensive collection of US Military small arms donated, mostly, by one individual.  It's good to see collections like this available for public view rather than locked away by one person.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 10:17:22 am »

or crushed and dumped into an artficial reef off NYC.  Sad

The display at Chickamauga National Battlefield is the Fuller Gun Collection.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 10:57:03 am »

The Autry Museum of the American West in Los Angeles has a fabulous collection, also.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 11:47:29 am »

WOW! Awsome pictures,i'd love to have an old Volcanic!
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 11:43:33 pm »

A few more from the Frazier Museum:


1837 Paterson Number 1 (first Model) ring-lever rifle. Patent Arms Manufacturing Company, Paterson, New Jersey. .40 caliber. Serial # 2. The hammerless single-action "rotary repeater" pictured here is the earliest known surviving example of a Colt production firearm. The ring forward of the cylinder cocked the action and turned the cylinder. Only about 200 were made. The military purchased 50 of them and issued them to troops during the 1838 Seminole War.


1847 Colt Walker, .44 caliber, Serial # 1024. Whitney Armory, Whitneyville, CT. Weight: 4 lb 9 oz. 1000 were made for the Army's Regiment of Mounted Rifles (Dragoons) and 100 for civilian sale and presentation pieces. The picture is one of the civilian models.


1864 Griswold & Gunnison Second Model Revolver, Confederate. Griswold was the most prolific arms supplier of the Confederacy. This weapon, a copy of the Colt 1851Navy type revolver, was considered the best best quality Confederate pistols of the war.


J.H. Dance and Brothers "Army" Revolver, Confederate. Columbia, Texas 1863-1865. Dance made two models of the revolver, an "Army" style in .44 caliber (above) and a .36 caliber "Navy" model. Both were pretty much copies of period Colt pistols.


Spiller & Burr Second Model Revolver, Confederate. Atlanta or Macon, GA 1862-1864. Spiller & Burr received contracts for 15,000 revolvers modeled after the Whitney Arms Company's  Second Model Revolver. However, they only made less than 1500 of them.


Colt "Texas" Paterson Number 5 holster revolver with extra cylinder 1838-1840. Patent Arms Manufacturing Company. Paterson, NJ. .36 caliber, Serial # 23. Only 1000 were made. The Republic of Texas bought 180 of them. This gun became legendary when Texas Ranger Captain J.C. Hays and fifteen men armed with Paterson revolvers and rifles defeated eighty Comanches.  One of the rarest of Colt firearms. Only 12 American museums have one. The earliest models have a square back cylinder like this one and only 33 of this type are known to exist.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 12:56:01 pm »

I was at a gun show in downtown Houston at least 30 years ago. A guy walked in wanting to sell an old gun. A collector bought it from him for, if I remember right $175. It was a Dance in near shooting condition. Ya never know what kinda stuff might show up if ya look enough.

BTW, the Texas Ranger in Waco has a huge gun collection, very many with Old West History on'm.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 07:11:16 pm »

I have more pictures I can post if anyone is interested.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 11:08:36 pm »

I'd LOVE to see more pictures.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2012, 02:22:20 am »

Here are some more from the Frazier Museum:


Model 1 1/2 "Blue Jacket" pocket revolver, 1870s. Hopkins & Allen Manufacturing Company, Norwich, CT.
.22 caliber rimfire. Serial Number 3739.


Whitney Arms Model No. 1 Revovlver, 1871-1872. Whitney Arms Company, Whitneyville, CT.
.22 caliber rimfire. Serial Number 29359


Whitney Model 1 1/2 Pocket Revolver with ivory grips. 1871-1872. Whitney Arms Company, Whitneyville, CT.
Engraved by Louis Daniel Nimschke. .32 caliber rimfire. Serial Number 6377B


Model 2 "Pepperbox" breechloading four-shot pistol, 1870s. Sharps Rifle Company, Philadelphia, PA.
.32 caliber rimfire. Serial Number 255.


Protector Palm Pistol, 1890s. Chicago Firearms Company, Chicago, IL.
.32 extra short rimfire caliber. Serial Number 9590.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2012, 02:25:07 am »

And a few more:


Remington-Elliot "Double Barrel Repeater", 1880s. E. Remington & Sons, Llion, NY. 
.41 caliber. Serial Number 9.


Remington-Elliot Double Derringer (Model 95) Type 1, Model 2, about 1869-1870. E. Remington & Sons, Llion, NY. 
.41 rimfire short caliber. Serial Number 525.


Standard Model New Line Revolver, 1876. Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.
.30 caliber. Serial Number 9527.


Marston three-barrel derringer, about 1864. William Walker Marston (New York).
.32 caliber rimfire. Serial Number 12.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2012, 11:50:09 am »

Guys, any of you coming to the NCOWS convention next year owe it to yourselves to take a half a day while your in the area and go to downtown Louisville to the Frazier Arms Museum. It's also not far from Evansville and the Nationals in June either.

I'll give you fair warning, you better allow yourself at least a half a day even with your wife trying to drag you along Wink

I was there last weekend to catch the Civil War exhibit before they took it down and I was there for close to four hours even with my wife and son coaxing me along and wiping up my drool.

One of these days I'm going to go down alone so I can spend the day.

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 03:08:54 am »

still more...



Model No. 2 (Army) Revolver, 1865
Smith & Wesson, Springfield, MA.   .32 caliber.  Serial number 38837.
After firing, the shooter expended casings by "breaking open" the pistol, pivoting the barrel vertically, removing the cylinder, and
pushing the open end of each chamber onto the short cylinder rod, thus forcing the empty cartridge out the back of the cylinder.



First Model Smith-Jennings Rifle, about 1851
Robbins & Lawrence, Windsor, VT.  .54 caliber.  Serial number 1
Only about 500 were made. Pictured is the first serialized rifle. It featured an automatic pill magazine
to dispense small balls of detonating compound for priming the rocket ball ammunition.



Volcanic Lever-Action Carbine, 1857-1860
New Haven Arms Company, New Haven, CT.  .41 caliber. Serial number 2975
The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company shifted production to New Haven in 1856 but became insolvent a year later.
Oliver Winchester bought up it's assets and reorganized the company as the New Haven Arms Company.
B. Tyler Henry then adapted the Volcanic pistol action to a carbine, which also fired the metallic rimfire cartridges that he developed. This paved the way for the famous Henry rifle of 1860 and the Winchester 1866 rifle and carbine.


Early Fourth Model 1851 Navy revolver, 1859-1860.
Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.   .36 caliber. Serial number 91833.
In 1860, Felix Tait, an Alabama cotton farmer, ordered a pair of Model 1851 Navy pistols with unusually long barrels, together with cases and accessories (one of which is shown above). The pistols were shipped to him in April 1861, and presumably he took them with him when he volunteered later that year and became a Major in the 23rd Alabama infantry.

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2012, 05:58:59 am »

UH yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ! Grin
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 11:03:10 am »

Some fantastic guns Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 12:17:13 pm »

Thanks for sharing these photos!
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2012, 01:43:23 pm »



Model 1851 Navy or belt pistol revolvers, 1856 and 1858, presented to Gideon Welles (U.S. Secretary of the Navy 1861-1869).
Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.   .36 caliber. Serial numbers 62148 and 89493.
Samuel Colt called these revolvers "Navy" because he felt the Army would prefer his larger Dragoon pistol, but in fact most Model 1851 Navy revolvers went to the Army.
This pair is very rare and important, not just because they were presented to Gideon Welles, but because of the "USN" and anchor marks on the pistols.
The 1851 was Colt's most popular and durable percussion revolver. More than 200,000 were produced between 1850 and 1873.


Maynard Primed Belt Model revolver, 1851-1857
Massachusetts Arms Company, Chicopee Falls, MA.   .31 caliber. Serial number 471.


Le Mat "Grapeshot" percussion revolver, 1862-1865
Charles Frederic Girard et Cie, Paris, France.   .40 caliber.  Serial number 2014.
A combination of a cap & ball revolver and a shotgun, this unusual pistol had a lower barrel loaded with buckshot, giving it it's nickname.
The Le Mat was a personal favorite of Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart.
The Confederacy ordered several thousand of the pistols from Girard, but problems with workmanship led to cancellation of the contracts.

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2012, 01:49:04 pm »


Colt 1849 Pocket Revolver with case and accessories, 1866
Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.     .31 caliber.   Serial number 282947.
Despite the pistol's name, it was not introduced until 1850. These small pistols were popular as privately purchased side arms among foot soldiers, and they were often the sole defensive arms of fifers and drummers. It became Colt's most popular percussion arm as more than 330,000 were made by 1873.


Manhattan Pocket Model revolver, about 1858
Manhattan Firearms Manufacturing Company, Newark, NJ.   .31 caliber.   Serial number 7.
A competitor of Colt, the small Manhattan company did not win important contracts during the Civil War
but concentrated on the civilian market where the Colt Model 1849 pocket revolver was more successful.


Third Model "Army" front-loading revolver, about 1863
Plant's Manufacturing Company, New Haven, CT.  .42-100 caliber.  Serial number 1621.
First patented in 1859, this unique revolver used special metallic cartridges loaded into the front of the cylinder chambers.
Although not government arms, they were popular as personal firearms during the Civil War.


U.S. Model 1855 pistol-carbine, 1855
Springfield Armory, Springfield, MA.   .58 caliber.  Serial number 16.
The first rifled regulation pistol adopted by the U.S. Army, this weapon was intended for use as a handheld pistol while on horseback, or a shoulder-fired carbine when on foot. It proved unsatisfactory in the field among cavalry troops in the West and was doomed by the far superior Colt revolvers.


Model 1849 pocket revolver, 1868
Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.     .31 caliber.   Serial number 306571.
The most popular of Colt percussion pistols among Pony Express riders. Against company preference, some riders carried an extra loaded cylinder.
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2012, 10:02:15 pm »




Model 1873 Army single-action revolver, 1883
Colt Firearms Company, Hartford, CT.     .44-40 caliber.    Serial number 99749.
One of the first weapons to use the new center-fire cartridges, this pistol became known as the Peacemaker, a name that Colt began to use in 1874. Other popular nicknames for this pistol  include Hog Leg, Equalizer, Frontier Six-Shooter, Thumb Buster and Plow Handle. Colt first made the Model 1873 in .44 caliber and then rechambered it for .45 caliber at the Army's request in 1874.


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Top: Sharps Model 1874 Sporting or "buffalo" rifle, 1877.  Caliber: .45  Serial number: 159506

Middle: Springfield U.S. Model 1866, Second Model, "trapdoor Springfield" rifle. Caliber: .50-70
After the Civil War, the government converted thousands of surplus arms from percussion muzzle-loaders to single-shot breechloaders by adding a hinged cover, or "trapdoor", over a chamber for inserting cartridges. Civilian hunters hired by the Army also used the Model 1866, among them, Buffalo Bill Cody who nicknamed his rifle "Lucretia Borgia". In admiration of the rifle's 600 yard range, American Indians said that the Model 1866 could "shoot today and kill tomorrow".

Bottom: Marlin Ballard Deluxe Pacific Number 5 rifle, 1885-1886.  Caliber: .45-70 government.  Serial number: 12446.


Remington Model 1875 Army, First Type, Second Issue, single action revolver, about 1878.
Caliber: .44 Remington.   Serial number: 79
Also known as the "Improved Army" or "Frontier Army", the Remington Model 1875 never achieved the success of Colt's Model 1873 Army single-action revolver as a cavalry pistol, but it was the preferred weapon of the Indian Police of the Department of the Interior.


Remington New Model Navy revolver, 1866-1878.  Caliber: .36   Serial number: 34549
After fire devastated Colt's production line in 1864, only Remington was able to step in and fill government contracts. Although all of the New Model Navys were intended for the military, about 2000 that did not meet federal specifications found their way into private hands.


Remington Model 1871 rolling block pistol, 1871.  Caliber: .50-25 center-fire  Serial Number: 1044
This powerful single-shot pistol was designed for the military, but soon after the federal government received the first shipment in 1872, it adopted the Colt Model 1873 revolver as the standard side arm. Many surplus Model 1871 pistols were converted for civilian sport and target shooting.



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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2012, 09:11:18 pm »

Those are great photos bowiemaker.  I wanted to see the Civil War exhibit befor it was taken down, but did not get a chance. Celeste
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2012, 09:28:50 pm »

Those are great photos bowiemaker.  I wanted to see the Civil War exhibit befor it was taken down, but did not get a chance. Celeste

Thanks. Honestly, I was a little disappointed with the special Civil War exhibit. It was interesting but not all that much to it. There is almost as many Civil War items in their permanent display. I could spend all day on the second floor of the museum where most of the 1800s guns are. The third floor has an incredible collection of midieval armor and weapons on loan from the Tower of London.

I have a few more pictures of interest that i will be posting.
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2012, 11:25:30 pm »

very cool, .....would not hate seeing the armor

particularly like seeing the Griswold & Gunnison ( as I aquired one myself)
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2012, 03:12:12 am »

Your daily dose of the Frazier Museum:

Another Patent Arms (Colt) Texas Paterson. Yes the Frazier Museum has two of them.

Patent Arms (Colt) "Texas" Paterson Number 5 holster revolver with extra cylinder 1838-1840.
Patent Arms Manufacturing Company. Paterson, NJ. .36 caliber, Serial # 200.
Engraved and blued steel, varnished walnut.


Patent Arms Number 3 Holster or Belt Model Paterson revolver, about 1837-1838.  Caliber: .31   Serial number: 59
Engraved and blued steel, varnished walnut.


Remington-Rider magazine pistol, about 1880.  Caliber: .32 rimfire extra short.
Designed by Joseph Rider, this pistol held five shots in a tubular magazine under the barrel. It was one of the first firearms with a tubular magazine for metal-cased cartridges. Probably fewer than 15,000 were made. The exact number is unknown because they were not given serial numbers.


Smith & Wesson Model 1 Second Issue revolver, 1860-1868.  Caliber: .22 short rimfire.  SN: 40208.
The seven-shot Model 1 was the company's first revolver and their first firearm to use metal-cased cartridges.
The barrel tips up so the cylinder can be removed for loading and unloading.


Smith & Wesson Model 1 1/2 Second Issue revolver, after 1868. Caliber: .32.  Serial number: 41817.
More powerful than the .22 caliber Model 1 and streamlined for a quick draw from a coat or trouser pocket.


Smith& Wesson Model 2 Old Model (Model 2 Army) revolver, 1864.  Caliber: .32   Serial number: 25539
Smith & Wesson did not introduce a military model until near the end of the Civil War,
although they did privately market many of their weapons to servicemen.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2012, 07:44:32 am »

How about some Colts




Colt Model 1848 "Baby Dragoon" pocket revolver, 1849.  Caliber: .31.  Serial number: 8069.
The Model 1848 was the first pocket revolver made at the new Hartford plant after Colt's financial failure at Paterson, NJ.
During the gold rush, the Model 1848 retailed for $20-$25 in the East, skyrocketed to nearly $300 in gold in the West.



Colt Model 1877 "Lightning" revolver with retail box, 1888.   Caliber: .38   Serial number: 65782


Colt "Flattop" Target model single-action revolver, 1892.  Caliber: .41  Serial number: 146540
Made from 1888 to 1895, fewer than 1000 of this model were produced, and fewer than 100 in this caliber.


Custer's Colt Model 1861 Navy revolvers with case and accessories, about 1863.  Caliber: .36   Serial numbers: 13511P and 13514P
Engraved by Louis Daniel Nimschke.
These pistols were reputedly presented to George Armstrong Custer during the Civil War.
The suffix P of the serial numbers probably indicated that the pistols were to receive a special factory polish, and the cylinders lack the customary naval battle scene. The decoration, as well as the silver plating of the bullet mold were probably not done at the Colt factory.


Modified Colt single-action revolver with elements from Models 1872 and 1873.  Caliber: .44-40  Serial numbers: 42870 and 6285
This pistol was carried by Texas Ranger Sebastian "Bass" Outlaw.


Colt Model 1873 Army single-action revolver, 1884.  Caliber: .44-40 W.C.F.  Serial number: 111323
Carried by Texas Ranger Robert Ed "Jack" Bryant. During his long career, Jack Bryant carried only this revolver and a Winchester Third Model 1873 carbine unlike most lawmen who owned a dozen or more firearms during their careers. At some point, Bryant had his pistol silver-plated.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2012, 10:09:33 am »

The James-Younger Gang


The last of Quantrill's men, including Frank James, put down their arms several months after the Civil War officially ended. In an unusually lenient parole, they were allowed to keep their horses and even their side arms, possibly as a reward for having tracked down another guerrilla accused of rape. Frank, who had broken an earlier parole, took no chances of receiving an automatic death sentence for that infraction. He surrendered under the alias of "Alex James, Company E. 3rd Missouri Cavalry".


Frank James Remington New Model Navy revolver.  Caliber: .36  Serial number: 38613
This well-used pistol with the missing front sight belonged to Frank James. It may have been one he obtained late in the
Civil War, and it is possible that it is the one he was allowed to keep after surrendering to Union Troops in July 1865.


Jesse James Colt Model 1873 Army single-action revolver, 1880.  Caliber: .44-40 W.C.F.  Serial number: 61306
This handgun is said to have belonged to Jesse James at the time of his death.
It may be a pistol taken during the robbery of the military payroll at Muscle Shoals, Alabama in 1881. Jesse's son gave it to a friend and it later found it's way into the possession of Missouri Senator Harry B. Hawes. In 1939 it was shown in Missouri's exhibits at the New York Worlds Fair. The James family tried unsuccessfully to regain it, even calling on Henry Ford to act on their behalf.


Colt Model 1851 Navy or belt revolver, 1871.  Caliber: .36   Serial number: 213204
An inquest determined that on the day Jess James died, there were at least 5 pistols in the house. This Model 1871 was almost certainly among them. It was passed down through the family until 1994 when it and it's accessories were acquired by a private collector.


Jim Youngers Smith & Wesson Model Number 3, Second Model single-action revolver, 1872-1874.  Caliber: .44  Serial number: 16734
Gang members at Northfield carried two revolvers apiece, mostly New Model Smith & Wessons, plus cartridge belts. This pistol is said to have been taken from Jim Younger by posse leader Colonel T.L. Vought after the 1876 shoot-out at the Sorbel farm near Madelia, Minnesota.


Smith & Wesson First Model "Baby Russian" single-action revolver, 1876-1877.   Caliber: .38   Serial number: 13813
This pistol was carried by Yankee Bligh, Louisville, Kentucky's Chief of Detectives. Bligh was the first professional detective to track the James gang.
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