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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 12:29:45 pm »

Yes, Lucky Irish Tom,

Please make it so.  That way we will be better able to look up rank standings and postings.

I shall now change my current signature trailer to "Master" of the Dark Arts which I shall abbreviate "MDA"

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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 12:37:23 pm »

Sir Charles,
We are talking the Ancient Powder here...  The military keeps GOEX in business, if it weren't for all of the military uses then they would be out of business.  I mean good old fashioned Powder; Charcoal, Potassium Nitrate and Sulfur.

Real Powder is used in almost every fuze initiator for large caliber projectiles and bombs.  In many cases it is also a part of the booster in the priming train.  The military (usually contractors) use tons and tons of GOEX BP every year for those proposes.  So as I said anyone who was in the artillery, naval gunnery or in a ground attack squadron then they have used the Ancient Substance (though of modern manufacture) in combat. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2011, 02:17:05 am »

Don't forget the lowly Frag Grenade.  Not sure that counts as a Gonne, not being an arm, merely thrown by one


Dan,
How old are you?  Are you a WWII or Korean War vet? 

The Mk10 fuze was the last grenade fuze to use a Black Powder bursting charge because some of the Mk2 grenades used EC powder as the filler instead of TNT flakes.  The M26, M61 and M67 grenades all used or use a Mk204 or Mk213 fuze which uses lead azide, lead styphnate, and RDX as the detonator charge. The later Mk2 grenades also used the Mk204 fuze.  They went back to composition B or TNT with the notched  fragmentation coils and even the old Mk2s were all the TNT variety from what I understand. The current  M67 bodies with their internal nubbies use Comp B and the Mk213 fuze which has no BP.

They pulled all of the Mk2s after Korea because they were truly a defensive grenade with the TNT charges and the large hunks of grenade body that would travel farther than the advertised blast radius.

I know the Soviet Vietnam era grenades all used TNT as their fillers so they wouldn't use a black powder fuse, the Chinese grenades were all copies of the Soviet designs.

I know I've never thrown or used a grenade that had BP in the composition except for an M62 or M69 practice grenades which use BP as the marking charge.  I never saw those anywhere beyond the training pits at TBS.

We made fuzes, timers and bursting assemblies so I'm familiar with the Mk204 series and Mk213 series as well as the Mk205 series (BP practice) fuzes.  The bigger ordnance uses a composite fuze and bursting charge so the BP works better and has the space for it you don't have in a hand thrown grenade with a body full of Comp B or TNT.  They're all Comp B now.

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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2011, 02:00:47 pm »

EVERY US tank main gun ammo uses (up to) a pound and a half of BP as the initiating charge.  That's 105mm & 120mm.   That's how I know I've personally shot over 3 tons (tonnes, Sir Chas.) of BP so far in my life.  And more every match!
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I'm also sure (or mostly) that artillery rounds are made the same way, all the way up to and including the 16 inch guns on the (now retired) battleships.  I think I heard that the 16" uses something like 8 pounds of BP as the ignition charge, but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2011, 07:41:25 pm »

EVERY US tank main gun ammo uses (up to) a pound and a half of BP as the initiating charge.  That's 105mm & 120mm.   That's how I know I've personally shot over 3 tons (tonnes, Sir Chas.) of BP so far in my life.  And more every match!
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I'm also sure (or mostly) that artillery rounds are made the same way, all the way up to and including the 16 inch guns on the (now retired) battleships.  I think I heard that the 16" uses something like 8 pounds of BP as the ignition charge, but I'm not sure.



Yep, As I said earlier the U.S. Military is the only reason Goex is still in business. They use many tons of Goex BP a year.  I just can't think of any shoulder fired or hand weapons other than Dragons, Javelins, AT-4s, LAWs that use BP in the fusing or initiator.

The interesting thing that many don't realize is that one of the reasons BP is used is because of it's long term stability and isn't affected by temperature extremes as many other compounds would be. They know that the BP is going to go boom now, or twenty years from now and that is usually enough to make sure everything goes boom.  It's not used in some of the smaller trains like the grenades with a stable explosive like TNT.  It needs a higher order explosive to set off the main charge,  With larger rounds they have room for a booster like Tetryl which is initiated by the BP, the Tetryl actually sets off the Comp B (which is TNT and RDX), RDX or TNT.

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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2011, 01:01:57 am »

Mako - are you an old time contributor to the Anarchist's Cookbook?


You sure know how and why things go B*O*O*M !!!

 Cheesy

... And I'll wager things are  rockin' at your home on the 4th of July and New Year's Eve!

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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2011, 01:31:38 am »

Wow, knew the charge in grenades was Comp B, but had always though there was a BP cap.
Getting smarter every day, thanks Mako.
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2012, 10:07:18 am »

Gentlemen of the SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS) you will find the SHOTS child board under the Darksiders Den. The Marshal has graciously set up this child board for our Order so that all posts pertaining to SHOTS can be placed there and we can sticky items such as the member list at the beginning. I will work with Cut's to get this post moved to the new board.
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2012, 10:38:17 am »

Gentlemen of the SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS) you will find the SHOTS child board under the Darksiders Den. The Marshal has graciously set up this child board for our Order so that all posts pertaining to SHOTS can be placed there and we can sticky items such as the member list at the beginning. I will work with Cut's to get this post moved to the new board.

Great news, thank you for doing this.
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2012, 10:51:56 am »

Thank you Lucky Irish Tom.
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2012, 10:44:06 am »

Posted a thread in the SHOTS baby board and I need every ones input.  We are trying to put together a certificate and there is a ruff draft posted, please take a moment to give suggestions.
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2012, 06:27:05 pm »

Put me where you will. Started shooting and building BP guns in 1980. Started building BP guns full time in 1996. www.fowlingguns.com   Have always shot BP in all cowboy matches. Always hunted with BP firearms. Am I cool or what? Grin
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2012, 10:26:53 pm »

Wahooooooooo - I will start looking at what may available already in  Pins and what can be made for decent prices.

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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2012, 10:32:25 pm »

Put me where you will. Started shooting and building BP guns in 1980. Started building BP guns full time in 1996. www.fowlingguns.com   Have always shot BP in all cowboy matches. Always hunted with BP firearms. Am I cool or what? Grin


VERY cool, Roosterman!

As are the guns on your website!  I wish ...
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2012, 07:25:46 pm »

Wahoooo had a suprise late gift show up for UPS this evening!

A 44 caliber cap and ball Rogers and Spencer pistol - feels good in the hand!

Hmmmm maybe i will shoot cap and ball and just do it two handed...then again I can get these bad boys converted too...

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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2012, 09:33:20 am »

Wahoooo had a suprise late gift show up for UPS this evening!

A 44 caliber cap and ball Rogers and Spencer pistol - feels good in the hand!

Hmmmm maybe i will shoot cap and ball and just do it two handed...then again I can get these bad boys converted too...

PR


I really wish that the Rogers & Spencer had seen more use before the Bannerman purchase and sale.  The Military never did use very many (IF any at all) because of their late delivery after most of the (Un)Civil War was over.  A small few did get purchased by silly-villians, but few saw use before Bannerman sold the ones he/they had purchased, and if I remember correctly, that was very late in the century, and well past the introduction of cartridge firearms.  Most  of the R&S guns had been in Govt. storage since their delivery to Military warehouses in 1865.  St. George (and other more learned historians than I) can correct my times, but I believe that's what happened and when.

But I LOVE the look of them and I have heard good reports about their accuracy and dependability.

Congrats, Pony on your new "after Christmas" play-pretty!
 
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2012, 10:26:13 pm »

Nice to be considered a Master in a knowlegible group like this. Thanks guys. Let's have fun making smoke.
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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2012, 08:14:23 am »

Not sure where I would be place in the order of SHOTS but I would like to be considered for membership.  I've shot the Holy Black for 7-8 years now and think I've influenced several others to partake in the joy of creating Smoke, Fire, BOOOOOOM and Stink.  I believe I had some input for starting the Fire & Brimstone Posse in SE Va.  Had some input in working toward the all Black powder match in West Point, Va which ultimately lead to the first Va State BP championship. 

Those with whom I've had the pleasure to shoot with will testify that I make substantial Smoke and do so with great joy.

Please consider me for admittance to the glorious order.

Thank you and smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2012, 06:35:47 pm »

Wild Will -

We'll darn sure smoke 'em because we got 'em, not if!

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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2012, 08:16:29 pm »

Wildcat Will is one of my bestest Cowboy lets keep it black, with lots of Boom and Fire friends.

The concussion of his rounds and coughs from the crowds are something to behold.

He only made my sickness into the dark arts get stronger and defintely led me down the path of pure BOOM as I converted from shooting APP in all guns to, then APP in rifle and pistols and real FFG in shotgun, to my final enlightenment to shoot all FFFG and FFG.

Will - This ain't no library - WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2012, 05:07:32 pm »

ifn it aint no library then it let er rip.

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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2012, 02:22:58 pm »

Wahooooooooooooooo I now have 2 cases of DB BP in 2F - Yo VA F&B Posse - the powder truck will be at the shoot next weekend!

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  YEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2012, 09:52:38 am »

To SHOTS,

I can happily report that the grandestholy black sickness is only growing in the VA F&B posse - members are now happily procurring and discussing shooting C&B together...

I think we will probably have folks shooting them gunfighter style, frontiersman style and me shooting Frontier Cart style (I really suck one handed).

I still need to procur another C&B revolver but I can happily say that all i need is a little practice and some 44 ball and 44 wonder wads...

Wahooooooooooo Yehawwwwww

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« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2012, 06:31:54 am »

It was starting to get toooooo crowded in the FCGF category.  Figured it were time to move to Frontiersman.   Grin Shocked Grin
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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2012, 08:06:53 am »

I have some emails out for quotes on pins and patches.

I will let the order know what kind of info I get back...

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