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« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2012, 09:26:19 pm »

I know this one is routine but nonetheless....the other morning I am watching a movie on the Westerns Channel. I believe it was called "Black Dakotas". The townspeople refer repeatedly to their then President, Abraham Lincoln in the present tense. Of course they are all wearing 1873 Colt SAA's and holding 1892 Winchesters.
Just saw the movie again from the beginning. Picked up something else. Gary Merrill is the bad guy. In one scene, he is in the sheriff's office with an 1875 Remington in his hand. The camera then shows the people he is holding the gun on. When it comes back to Merrill, he is now holding an 1873 Colt SAA and at the start of the movie, it says the story takes place in 1864.
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« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2012, 10:18:35 pm »

Some stuff is the fault of the cutting room.

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Open Range in the shoot out... next time you folks watch it... count the bullets that Costner fires from his Winchester '73 at the beginning of the gunplay after Costner shoots the hired gun in the head. Hollywood.... some things never change.

I saw the scene as it was before it was edited. Costner is carrying 4 revolvers. It actually shows him changing guns but then the scene was 'fixed'. It doesn't change the fact that the gun action is wrong but at least someone tried to make it right to start with.
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« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2012, 03:34:50 pm »

One person asked why suspenders and belt was a goof. Most trousers were not made with belt loops until the late 1880's.
Another glaring goof is the number of westerns in which cowboys are wearing blue jeans. Most cowboys considered jeans beneath their dignity. Wool or courderoy were far more common. One of the worst I ever saw, was the Mini-series North and South.
They had good uniform parts, put together incorrectly. Two of the worst were depictions of Regular Army officers. In one they show an artillery officer wearing an enlisted man's hat. hat cords and insignia were very different. The other is in the first halfr, a New graduate of West point is shown as an Engineer officer. A few scenes later, he is with Berdan's Sharpshooters.
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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2013, 09:56:31 pm »

Found another . Watching  Randolph Scott on Westerns Channel the other day . He's holed up in a barn fighting off the bad guys. His holster rig in the movie is a double loop Mexican style over a standard cartridge belt. At one point he emerges from the barn and while doing so, severely cuts his right hand. He retreats to the barn amidst speculation, that he's done for now because his gun hand is no good.  Shortly thereafter, he dispels this notion by emerging from the barn and dispatching the bad guys shooting with his left hand . There must have been a leather maker in the barn because the right hand holster has now been replaced by an identical left hand holster .
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« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2013, 03:49:44 pm »

Found another . Watching  Randolph Scott on Westerns Channel the other day . He's holed up in a barn fighting off the bad guys. His holster rig in the movie is a double loop Mexican style over a standard cartridge belt. At one point he emerges from the barn and while doing so, severely cuts his right hand. He retreats to the barn amidst speculation, that he's done for now because his gun hand is no good.  Shortly thereafter, he dispels this notion by emerging from the barn and dispatching the bad guys shooting with his left hand . There must have been a leather maker in the barn because the right hand holster has now been replaced by an identical left hand holster .
The movie was Decision at Sundown. Just saw it again.
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« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2013, 06:32:38 am »

How is the belt AND suspenders a goof ? Some people dress that way ?


Even today this is commonly seen.....

I hear it said all over the place.
"How can you trust someone who doesn't even trust his own pants ??"

It's more pointing out the "tard effect" of the look.
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« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2013, 06:46:22 am »

Encore Westerns has touted "HIGH NOON" for the past month.
After all the hype, I failed to see why it won any awards at all.

But I only mention it because when he is walking about the town looking for the next bad guy to shoot, you can see the buildings and power lines and poles (complete with transformers) of the other parts of the studio lots over top of the set they are working.
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« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2013, 08:47:03 am »

A couple more . In a Westerns Channel movie the other day , the bad guy pulls a Derringer and is holding it with his hand directly in front of his body . The good guy facing him  distracts him and then shoots directly at him , shooting the gun from his hand but somehow , the bullet does not continue on into his body .
Chester in Gunsmoke has a bad right leg . When on horseback, the stiff right leg is always sticking straight out from the saddle in an elongated stirrup . In an episode the other day, there is a long shot of Chester riding across a meadow with his LEFT leg sticking straight out . Probably a stunt double who couldn't remember which is the bad leg .
I read once that the irony of Gunsmoke was that James Arness actually had a bad leg from a war wound and walked with a limp.
When the cameras were rolling, he had to make a conscious effort to minimize his limp and Dennis Weaver had to remember to walk with a limp. Only in Hollywood !
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« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2013, 05:05:32 pm »

Some stuff is the fault of the cutting room.

I saw the scene as it was before it was edited. Costner is carrying 4 revolvers. It actually shows him changing guns but then the scene was 'fixed'. It doesn't change the fact that the gun action is wrong but at least someone tried to make it right to start with.



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« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2013, 08:16:55 pm »

Notice in Rio Bravo, when Chance jumps through the barn door his hat falls off.  When he stands up in the barn, it's back on his head,

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« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2013, 04:49:15 pm »

I have a movie "Blood River" starring Wilfred Brimley and Ricky Schroeder (if I remember right)  in one scene they are trapped in a boat house and a couple of the posse members are blasting away with Ruger Super Blackhawks. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2013, 12:10:54 am »

Well, not exactly a western, but the movie O Brother Where art Thou, there is a guy with a Glock......Nothing big, just a modern semi-auto in the nineteen twenties.  Or the exploding UPS truck.....

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"James shook his head and twirled his Colt into it's holster with a smile.  There was some coffee left in the pot, so he poured it in his cup and leaned against the wall by the door.  The sun was setting in the distance, creating a beautiful sunset. 
   “Texas has better sunsets.”  He heard Terri say next to him.  He turned to face her.
   “Of course it does.  But we gotta get what we can in the mean time.” He said with a lopsided grin.  She smiled back and pulled her Colt, stuffing the barrel into his belly.
   “Yer' getting slow.  Better work on that.”  She said and walked back into the house with the empty coffee pot. 
   “We saw that, y' know.”  Clint Rounds said laughing.   James turned red and tried to hide his embarrassment."   Excerpt fromTHE FLOPPY HAT FROM TEXAS," being written by yours truly.



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« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2015, 03:39:04 am »

In The Searchers there is a part where they are in the snow and riding through a creek or something. In the background you can see cars driving.

In The Good Bad and Ugly during the bridge blowing up scene you can see a car in the background.

Count how many times Doc fires in Tombstone...especially at Ike Clanton
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« Reply #88 on: August 10, 2015, 12:10:44 pm »

It's good fun spotting these wee things. One of the most difficult continuity problems is the guy smoking a cigarette/cigar. Long ash, then short ash then long ash. You have to pity an actor who has to eat heartily because if you have to do the take again he has to eat heartily again, and again. One thing not mentioned is hair styles. It's not so important in a western cos hairy scruff is good, but old photos show meticulously groomed lawmen and Cowboys. I don't mind it in a western but when it's a WW11 movie and we see officers and men sporting curls and locks it's just infuriating. I think I read that in the past the star could refuse period haircuts especially short cuts but now they are contractually bound to submit to authenticity. But me favourite are the clothes especially trousers, sorry pants, worn in the old westerns of the 40,s and 50's BIG wide trousers, sometimes the waist band coming up to the chest just like your grand dad. Now Pappy O'Donnell in Oh Brother Where Art Thou he had some serious trousers in fact when I looked at the movie a week or so I could not look at anything else.
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« Reply #89 on: August 10, 2015, 06:28:15 pm »

On that point (though not western) we seen the opposite long-hair problem when WWII German soldiers are depicted. In otherwise meticulous movies like "Saving Private Ryan," all the German soldiers are depicted as near-skinheads, with only a short stubble of hair. But if you study photos from the period, German soldiers almost always had hair noticeably longer than their American and British counterparts. The problem is, modern neo-Nazis favor the skinhead look, and filmmakers project that look back onto the original Nazis. Ah, well, the medium has always been a fantasy.
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« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2015, 11:31:23 am »

I have a movie "Blood River" starring Wilfred Brimley and Ricky Schroeder (if I remember right)  in one scene they are trapped in a boat house and a couple of the posse members are blasting away with Ruger Super Blackhawks. Roll Eyes

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Tried watching a western movie on Netflix, I can't remember the name, that was about a soldier returning home from the war of northern aggression.  He was armed with a 94 Winchester that had Uncle Mike's sling swivels.  When I saw that, I stopped watching.

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« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2015, 10:34:55 am »

Before we all became sophisticated gun handlers and collectors, we didn't care one whit about the kind of goofs that now irritate the hell out of us.

If I'm enjoying the story line and the characters, I tend to ease up on looking for the errors and omissions. I have a friend who looks for incorrect medals on British Officers. He can identify them by the colour of the ribbons.

But, having said that, some mistakes are simply unforgiveable. Film makers now have no excuse for period incorrect firearms, uniforms, haircuts, etc. The information is out there and available.
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« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2017, 09:23:49 pm »

In the movie High Noon, Gary Cooper is running through a back alley, with an air conditioning unit hanging out a second story window. Watch for the car driving down the highway off in the background, during the opening shots in Shane, with Alan Ladd.
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