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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2012, 07:58:51 am »

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« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2012, 06:02:42 am »

Years ago, I bought a well used Puma .357 mag rifle, which I really loved to shoot, but I could not get to like the John Wayne/ cowboy  big lever- and someone had drilled scope mount holes in it, so eventually I used it as trade material.
Since I am now retired and simplifying my gun accumulation to mostly .38 Spl/.357 magnum, I was interested in another Rossi. I saw one on gunbroker, used, for about $550, deecided to look further, found one at Buds online. Brand new 20' round barrel, walnut, for $419, free shipping. It should be here next week.

I have owned several Rossi revolvers , including my 462 that is my main carry revolver. I like their products very much. My old Smiths stay home, my Rossi goes out with me.
 I think this little .357 levergun will be great for deer here in Eastern PA, where you can't see more than 40 yards in the woods most of the time. Might be good for groundhogs, too.

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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2012, 12:44:41 am »

Rossi's: Kinda like "Love and Hate". Depending on which side of the fence you are standing. You cannot short stroke, but all the short stroke does is give the shooter a few nano seconds anyway. You can slick the '92 and make it as "race ready" as any '73. The '92 is not as heavy as the '73 but it can be unforgiving... I have both the Rossi '92 and a Uberti '73. The '73 has all the bells and whistles you can put on one... BUT ifn you do not get your bullets the correct OAL with a '73 you will have problems in the feeding. I have never had that problem with the '92. BUT having said that... with the '92 you have to lever it FULL cycle, if you don't, then it will remind you when you are under the clock. I did my own action work on the '92 and I could not be more pleased with it... sometimes I think maybe it is "too slick". I love the '73, but it was a "problem child" for a long time. I will state that the Uberti '73 looked so good ROB as compared to the '92 which looked like "trash" as it came ROB. But you are talking a BIG difference in cost. I have never had a feeding problem with the '92. Both of my rifles are in 45LC and they are both fitted with 20" barrels. My Rossi was a casehardened frame/lever and cresent butt plate. But the caseharden done by the Rossi folks looked very "amaturish". The wood was almost black as it came ROB. It took me a while and a lot of work, but I refinished the '92 and did the action. I prefer the '92 over the '73. Here is a picture of the '92 "AFTER" all my work on it.


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« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2012, 03:33:16 pm »

I just completed my CAS long gun requirments with a pair of Rossi's:

THe 92 is my first rifle period, so I don't have a good reference to it compare to, other than the Marlin I borrowed at my first event.  It is not as smooth or easy to work as that Marlin, I will get the Nate Jones DVD and do an action job later.  It cycles my 45 Colt just fine if you work the action like you mean it, I will add a leather wrap for the lever to my list of upgrades.  The wood grain is nice but the finish is very flat.  The wood to metal fit is OK.  It did drop a screw while I was handling it last night, so I checked all other screws and four were loose!  All that said, I like the rifle and for the price($405 out the door) you can't go wrong!  This will be my long term temporary rifle, I will save for an 1860 or '66 one day.
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« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2012, 04:57:53 pm »

I just completed my CAS long gun requirments with a pair of Rossi's:

THe 92 is my first rifle period, so I don't have a good reference to it compare to, other than the Marlin I borrowed at my first event.  It is not as smooth or easy to work as that Marlin, I will get the Nate Jones DVD and do an action job later.  It cycles my 45 Colt just fine if you work the action like you mean it, I will add a leather wrap for the lever to my list of upgrades.  The wood grain is nice but the finish is very flat.  The wood to metal fit is OK.  It did drop a screw while I was handling it last night, so I checked all other screws and four were loose!  All that said, I like the rifle and for the price($405 out the door) you can't go wrong!  This will be my long term temporary rifle, I will save for an 1860 or '66 one day.

The Steve's Gunz DVD and tune kit as well as his safety plug is how I did mine. It is as smooth now as any rifle I've tried in any NCOWS event. I also didn't use Steve's spring but went with the Gunfighter set sold by Brownells which was a bit better in my opinion. However his disk helps a lot in taking it apart and getting it back together right. It also includes his metal magazine follower also. I didn't want to take mine as far as I might use it for smaller game hunting also. Steve's kit is worth it for nothing else but the DVD in my opinion.
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« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2015, 12:50:45 pm »

I would rather resurrect this old thread than start yet another Rossi Puma thread.

I have a brass framed stainless '92 in .45LC with the heavy octagonal barrel.  I slicked it myself with the help of some YouTube videos and that made a world of difference.  I replaced the rear site and magazine guide. 





The barrel is a bit more than I need for SASS shoots but my last Rossi Puma's round barrel was hardly enough.  None of the local gunsmiths seem to be up to bobbing the barrel. 

The main reasons that I own Rossis is the price and the stainless steel.  I shoot black powder cartridge and stainless tolerates a good washing better than bluing.  If there was an 1866 in stainless for a good price.......  I have been using videos to coach myself to shoot faster.  Shotgun was holding me back but I have gotten half way fast with it now.  I just made some significant improvements to my revolvers which have cut my time down so now my rifle is the slow gun and I have no brilliant ideas left other than switching guns.  I do not have a short stroke kit but have heard less than stellar reviews of these for Rossis.  A little larger loop for my thick hands might help but I cannot find such a thing.  I do have occasional difficult feeds usually half way through but I cannot seem to catch the issue. 

Do you Rossi Puma owners have any more tricks, techniques, or tips for SASS shooting? 

This is an older video but the rifle is still pretty typical in case anyone has any constructive comments I would love to hear them.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnP_LvESmKE  I do practice pulling the stock into my shoulder as I close the lever the first time but being a little muzzle heavy I sometimes miss slightly.  After the 3-4 round I start speeding up a lot now despite the black powder smoke. 
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« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2015, 04:39:37 pm »

What experience have other Rossi Puma owners had with this or other spring kits?  http://www.cowboyshootingstore.com/Gunslinger_Spring_Kit_for_Rossi_92_p/lees-rossi.htm 

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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2015, 11:58:27 pm »

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It has been awhile since I did the work on my Rossi 92.  I used the Lee's Gunslinger Spring Kit but I also weakened it a bit more.. as I recall I cut off 3 coils and that lightened the hammer pull greatly.  I do not have any problems with miss fires as long as I use Federal Primers... if I use CCI or Winchester primers I will have problems... so all I use is FEDERALS, they are softer and I never have a miss fire in revolvers or rifles.  I do all of my own action work... I do not like sending my guns to someone and have to wait for them to do what I can do... my opine.  I do have a habit of sometimes making my guns "too slick"... then I have to resort to VTI for another part...LOL
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2015, 11:52:05 am »

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It has been awhile since I did the work on my Rossi 92.  I used the Lee's Gunslinger Spring Kit but I also weakened it a bit more.. as I recall I cut off 3 coils and that lightened the hammer pull greatly.  I do not have any problems with miss fires as long as I use Federal Primers... if I use CCI or Winchester primers I will have problems... so all I use is FEDERALS, they are softer and I never have a miss fire in revolvers or rifles.  I do all of my own action work... I do not like sending my guns to someone and have to wait for them to do what I can do... my opine.  I do have a habit of sometimes making my guns "too slick"... then I have to resort to VTI for another part...LOL

Thank you for the response and review.
I also like to do my own tuning.  The only problem primers that I have run into are Remingtons and that is based on shotgun shells (all coincidentally bought at Wallmart).  You have me wondering about just cutting some coils off the stock hammer spring for now since I can't complain about the trigger spring and don't feel a need to replace it.
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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2015, 11:38:59 am »

My Rossi was a nightmare last shoot.  Just not feeding.  When I took it apart for cleaning the stock magazine came out in three pieces despite me oiling it with each cleaning.   Undecided
Ordering a stainless replacement from:  http://www.thesmithshop.com/magfollow.html 

I should probably order a stainless spring and follower for my wife's Marlin 94 while I am at it. 
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« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2015, 11:56:39 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSBlCBhEhIg

Obviously a Rossi does not feed very well with a broken magazine spring.  I am surprised that it worked as well as it did.  I am please with how much easier my old Vaqueros are to cock since I swapped out the stock hammers for Super Blackhawk hammers.  They are almost getting ahead of me now.  I would like shorter barrels for my old Crescent rabbit ear
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« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2015, 12:19:39 pm »

One of our new shooters is looking at buying a Rossi in .454 and shooting .45LC in matches.   His plan is to also use the .454 as a hunting rifle since it has just enough umph for what is hunting you here unlike maybe a straight .45LC. 

Does anyone have any experience with how well the .454 Rossis perform in SASS matches firing .45LC? 
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« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2015, 01:36:13 pm »

One of our new shooters is looking at buying a Rossi in .454 and shooting .45LC in matches.   His plan is to also use the .454 as a hunting rifle since it has just enough umph for what is hunting you here unlike maybe a straight .45LC. 

Does anyone have any experience with how well the .454 Rossis perform in SASS matches firing .45LC? 

To be useful in SASS matches a .454 Casull-chambered rifle has to be reduced in velocity, as you know. The chamber in the .454 is longer than a .45 LC chamber. You can use .45 LC brass, just as you can use .44 Special brass in a .44 Magnum chamber, or a .38 Special in a .357 Magnum chamber, you need to clean the chamber pretty consistantly or you may have trouble chambering the longer brass. However, with a high pressure cartridge like the .454 (upwards of 40,000 psi), you may erode the chamber to the point where the .454 ammo may suffer extraction problems no matter how carefully you clean it. OTOH, if you attempt to reduce the loads using .454 brass, which is much thicker than .45LC, you won't get enough expansion from the brass to prevent blowy.

My reommendation would be to pass on the .454 and go for a .44 Magnum. Granted, that cartridge doesn't have quite the nockdown power of the .454, but if you are going after game bigger than a .44 Magnum will handle, you need a bigger round than the .454. Just MHO.
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« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2015, 01:11:24 pm »

One of our new shooters is looking at buying a Rossi in .454 and shooting .45LC in matches.   His plan is to also use the .454 as a hunting rifle since it has just enough umph for what is hunting you here unlike maybe a straight .45LC. 

Does anyone have any experience with how well the .454 Rossis perform in SASS matches firing .45LC? 
I have a .454/.45.  I do not shoot CAS but I do a lot of hunting/plinking/range time.  I  think this is the perfect gun.  With .45 you can fire everything from light CAS to full bore LeverRevolution for hunting.  Paco Kelly says that with the right load in .454 it will take any thin or thick skinned animal on Earth.  I know it will drop a buck in his tracks.  No tracking needed.
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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2015, 05:08:25 pm »

Thank you all.  I have gotten him a little more feedback including:  http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/466684/site_id/1
I am a little surprised to hear that the Rossi .454 is described as a good .45 LC shooter that just happens to also handle .454 when something needs hit harder.  I was expecting to hear that it had problems feeding the shorter .45 LC. 
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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2016, 07:42:30 pm »

May need to get one in 454 !  Grin Cheesy
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« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2017, 06:58:24 pm »

My Rossi was a nightmare last shoot.  Just not feeding.  When I took it apart for cleaning the stock magazine came out in three pieces despite me oiling it with each cleaning.   Undecided
Ordering a stainless replacement from:  http://www.thesmithshop.com/magfollow.html 

I should probably order a stainless spring and follower for my wife's Marlin 94 while I am at it. 

I have gone through a frustrating spell of my Rossi not chambering correctly.  It stove pipes, double feeds, fails to pick up, ...  you name it.  With the help of two gunsmiths we finally figured it out, sort of.  It has become "picky" and does not like .452 as opposed to .454 or short rounds.  It didn't care what I fed it for the first couple thousand rounds.  I have heard that the short-stroke kit makes them very case length sensitive but I have not installed such a kit.  Has anyone else had this trouble and have any other corrections?  Regardless, it is working again and I have adjusted my reloading. 

Oh yes, our new Rossi .454 shooter decided to have a baby so has hardly shown up to a shoot with it.   Angry  He does not reload and has been giving me a lot of brass so I loaded 100 rounds for him to try and lure him back this month. 
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« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2017, 12:38:22 pm »

Step Right up Folks ... Here we are at Resurrection Junction!!

Greetings KARL!!  How are ya??

WHAT   SHORT STROKE   KIT??  I don't mean to be snarky (yes I do) but there is NO short stroke kit for an 1892.  There is no short stroking of an 1892.  If someone suggests a "short stroke" for a 92 for you ..... politely walk away.  Or say nasty things ... then walk away.

Your Rossi sound to me like it's suffering from being a Rossi.  If it fed 454 before, it should feed 454 now, unless you have a problem with leading in the chamber.  Your Rossi SHOULD run anything you feed it.  Now for the litany > > > > >

Most Rossi need to have the extractor reduced to be lighter.  Most Rossi need to have the Ejector Spring replaced with an after-market spring.  Most Rossi need to have the Lever Latch spring reduced or replaced with after-market and the latch point rounded and polished.
Most Rossi need to have the Main Spring reduced or replaced with after-market.  Those are the basics.

You state your rifle is stove piping and double feeding.  You need to look at your right side cartridge guide.  It may be worn.  Also, most Rossi need the right side shimmed out to just kiss the side of the cartridge.  That should stop the stove piping and double feeds.  Failing to Pick Up is normally your fault by not running the lever fully forward.  That error is normally because you are anticipating the other problems.
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« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2017, 03:28:05 pm »

I guess I lucked out with my pre-wing nut safety 44-40 Rossi SRC.  I've only had it stove pipe once when I was very rough in chambering the first round. Had that happen with my b-92 s well.

Accuracy wise, I have taken seven grouse with this fall, all of them clean head shots.

I looked into getting the recommended springs but "Steve" does not ship north of the DMZ.
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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2017, 05:10:45 pm »

I guess I lucked out with my pre-wing nut safety 44-40 Rossi SRC.  I've only had it stove pipe once when I was very rough in chambering the first round. Had that happen with my b-92 s well.

Accuracy wise, I have taken seven grouse with this fall, all of them clean head shots.

I looked into getting the recommended springs but "Steve" does not ship north of the DMZ.

I am just a little too far away to help with the springs.   What is the CAS scene like in BC? 

My Rossi was a reliable workhorse too for thousands of rounds.  I shoot almost exclusively black powder loads which might not be helping.  It works well with store bought ammo and is more polished and oiled than new so I am almost tempted to trade up for a 66.  Almost. 

Coffinmaker - Shimming might just do the trick.   I have been absent a while (lost my pass word).  
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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2017, 10:54:21 am »

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We didn't have much of a CAS season this year due to massive wildfires across the province. We partnered with another club to have a joint match that drew several SASS-enachs who were not impressed with our style of shooting. Some swore they would never return and we shed no years.

We have a split here in BC between the coastal and southern interior SASS-enachs and those of us who do not enjoy shooting at large targets at 7 and 10 yds. We enjoy the challenge of tougher targets and no one has ever shot our annual match clean.

Our SASS-enach guests would not engage in any of the side matches were accuracy and speed were required like a 'man-on-man' steel event, etc. When there was a tough bonus target in a stage, they would not even attempt it but rap off a quick shot in the general direction going for speed.

Our club enjoys shooting at smaller targets at longer distances like 'B' zones at 25 yds. We also have an event were we shoot at a SASS Cowboy at 100 yds in a speed & accuracy match. My wife wins this more often than not.
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2017, 11:33:37 am »

My Rossi 1892 (.45/.454) is 7 years old.  I replaced the safety and follower. I also gave the wood several coats of Danish Wood Oil.  Otherwise it is stock.  I use .45 most of the year and switch to .454 this time of the year for deer season.  I have never had a problem with it functioning with either .45 or .454. I did not give it a smoothing/slicking job or futz with the springs.  It works perfectly.  It would not win any SASS competition as it can't cycle in a nanosecond.
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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2017, 07:35:01 pm »

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Intermittent feed problem with a Rossi 92?
I fixed a couple,of Rossis in our local club had this problem - both times it was a hang up with the function of the magazine cutoff - (that thingy attached to the front end of tha left side cartridge guide wot stops all the contents of the magazine from coming in the action at once) one gun was just gunk leftover from shipping fouling it - sometimes it would feed good then a jam - worked better for me than for the owner - I am a bit more vigorus wid the lever - sneakin up on a 92 - IS NOT - the way to get it to work good (all winchesters I reckon even my model 70 bolt gun runs better if you have at it like you mean it) - anyway a good dismantle and cleaning fixed that one - tother was hangin up the tip of the cutoff just kissing the barrel face - if ya look there is a little relief cutout to clear that (you guys know that one - Coffinmaker does fer sure) - so thats the first and easiest place to look fer an INTERMITTENT feed problem - I just take a little BRASS rod wid the action open and work that cutoff back n forth n if it dont function easy n sweet - pull the thing down and find out why - could be a busted spring, crud fouling the sides of the slot it goes back into when the bolt is closed - or at worst that little tip is hanging up on the barrel face --- both the aforesaid guns were running full lenghth ammo (stuff would jam a 73) if the loaded round is right level with the nose of the carrier the lifter can function with the cutoff jammed and ya get a jam under the lifter - short ammo if the cutoff sticks the next round comes in and fouls the lifter before it rises.
I would say in Karls case ammo is proly not the root cause of the problem - even though changing it might seem to fix things - a 92 should function without jamming on a variety of ammo length and nose shapes (NOT wadcutters tho)
Ps Coffinmaker - that 92 conversion I was working on a couple weeks back is done and working slick n smooth - waiting now on a new barrel to replace the worn ex 76 one that I built it around - now .........maybe I can find a clapped out 73 someplace with a totalled barrel cuz that ole one shoots good enough to keep it from the scrap heap
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« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2017, 08:15:30 pm »

92 firing pins
just a caution here - have replaced firing pin in two model 92's that came to me broken
The latest one was still functional but I discovered the break when I pulled it down for other purposes (converting 32/20 to 44/40)
Both broken right in the middle of the lever recess part - I have a theory here might save some folk a heap of trouble - I watch gunplumber videos on utube - shudder sometimes at what these guys do on occasion - I believe both these broken firing pins were caused by driving the lever pin back in with a punch and hammer - just like ALL the videos tell ya to do it - the firing pin can tilt a little sideways in the bolt and foul the pin as you reassemble - and if ya couple that with putting the FLAT end of the pin in first instead of the beveled end - then drive it with the hammer you end up trying to belt that pin through the thinnest part of the firing pin - it will pop out of the way and the pin will go in OR in the process the firing pin will flex up and crack OR -----ooooops we take it out and try again and it goes together ---
NO !!!!! NO a thousand times no - get rid of the hammer  (Bubba says get a bigger hammer son - not this time Bubba - not this time)
That lever pin should go in easy - specially on a gun that has done some work -- yes you might need the hammer and punch to lightly tap it home once it is properly engaged --- think about this there is a lot of stuff to line up -- two holes in the bolt - two in the lever - a clearance recess on the firing pin above the lever pin and a clearance recess on the ejector barrel below the lever pin as well you have the ejector spring pushing back against it all --- hammering is gonna bust something !!! so put a pin punch in from the loading gate side and jiggle things into place while you push that pin in with your thumb - you will feel the bevelled end go past the firing pin body and through the second hole in the lever - on an older winchester I would expect to be able to push that pin all the way home with a flat end pin punch - just add a gentle little tap to be sure - Rossi or a new made gun is gonna be tighter but feel that thing go in still - dont force it !
The guys that take the time to read this proly been there done it a hundred times dont need to read - but if this your first or fifth time pulling down a 92 - pay attention ! maybe it helps 
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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2017, 12:36:55 pm »

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Intermittent feed problem with a Rossi 92?
I fixed a couple,of Rossis in our local club had this problem - both times it was a hang up with the function of the magazine cutoff - (that thingy attached to the front end of the left side cartridge guide wot stops all the contents of the magazine from coming in the action at once) one gun was just gunk leftover from shipping fouling it - sometimes it would feed good then a jam - worked better for me than for the owner - I am a bit more vigorous with the lever - sneakin up on a 92 - IS NOT - the way to get it to work good (all winchesters I reckon even my model 70 bolt gun runs better if you have at it like you mean it) - anyway a good dismantle and cleaning fixed that one - together was hangin up the tip of the cutoff just kissing the barrel face - if ya look there is a little relief cutout to clear that (you guys know that one - Coffinmaker does fer sure) - so that's the first and easiest place to look fer an INTERMITTENT feed problem - I just take a little BRASS rod wid the action open and work that cutoff back n forth n if it don't function easy n sweet - pull the thing down and find out why - could be a busted spring, crud fouling the sides of the slot it goes back into when the bolt is closed - or at worst that little tip is hanging up on the barrel face --- both the aforesaid guns were running full length ammo (stuff would jam a 73) if the loaded round is right level with the nose of the carrier the lifter can function with the cutoff jammed and ya get a jam under the lifter - short ammo if the cutoff sticks the next round comes in and fouls the lifter before it rises.
I would say in Karl's case ammo is proly not the root cause of the problem - even though changing it might seem to fix things - a 92 should function without jamming on a variety of ammo length and nose shapes (NOT wadcutters tho)
Ps Coffinmaker - that 92 conversion I was working on a couple weeks back is done and working slick n smooth - waiting now on a new barrel to replace the worn ex 76 one that I built it around - now .........maybe I can find a clapped out 73 someplace with a totalled barrel cuz that ole one shoots good enough to keep it from the scrap heap

Thank you Greyhawk.   What you described mostly matches what was happening.  Where could I find a new magazine cutoff to buy?  Would shimming work instead of a new part? 
I did not mean to start reloading shorter .45 rounds.  I must have just been twisting my die a little each time that I changed it.  My old Vaqueros don't care what I feed them. 
Trust me, I shoot my lever actions like I stole them so being too gentle is not part of the problem.  My Rossi 92 does not mind wadcutters nearly as much as my wife's Marlin but I avoid wadcutters now just the same. 

Just to show what we are talking about here.

The firing pin advice is interesting.  I may have found an antique Marlin for my lovely wife's Christmas present.  The price is good and it is in .32 so SASS legal but has about as many broken parts as not.  The firing pin dropped out in two pieces and Numrich is out of them.  I am working with the seller to see it I can have a new one machined since it is a pretty simple part.  The split magazine sleeve might be a little trickier to fix. 
Her goal is to have all originals for her SASS kit.  She has the S&W revolvers already and is looking for a shooter 20 ga damascus or the likes (she just found a surprisingly sweet little 16 ga damascus coach gun for $400.  I am tired of learning to load more old ammo.  Undecided  This little coach gun is pretty and feels like someone tuned it for SASS a century ago.)  The lengths that I go to to bribe my wife into coming out to shoots. 
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