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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2010, 08:10:49 am »

Understood, do you not think the same arguments are a valid argument against public carry in general?

There are people that can't find their ass with both hands. I'm not sure I want to be close to them when they are exercising their rights. We have all seen the wild antics of newbies at the range. I hate regulations, but there should be some level of competency.

Afterall, we have to qualify every year.
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2010, 08:45:30 am »

If you're going to carry - then you need to prove that you're capable of doing so.

Take the courses offered in your area and get certified - and re-certified and re-certified as time goes on.

'Prove' that you have the requisite maturity and sense of responsibility to be able to go safely armed and know what 'deadly force' means and how it 'will' impact your life if used.

As to a 'cold range' - all sorts of theoretically gun-knowledgeable people get hurt every year, playing around with 'un-loaded' firearms - some even die.

There's no place for this activity - yet it 'is' seen, so doing what can be done to eliminate this is merely prudent, insofar as the Range is concerned.

Ranges and using groups have to carry insurance - and insurance companies are just waiting to pull the policy, should there be any problem.

Respect the Range and the operating rules.

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2010, 04:42:31 pm »

I  like being a citizen and not a subject.  After 26 yrs in the USAF and 17yrs with law enforement, I like this setup.

Now as to the difference of the range rules and walking the street.  Someone mentioned that we have to qualify each  year.  Well that puts us on a range again and it means safety rules.  I think we all understand the difference between a hot and cold range.  So what is the  difference in having safety rule on a SASS range? 

When I am  on a SASS range my mind is on shooting CAS and not reall life bad guys.  When I finish for the day on the  SASS range and get ready for the street, my mind is in condition yellow. 

I have been a state certified firearms instructor in Virginia for 15 yrs and I can tell you that cops are by nature some of the worst marksmans I have had the pleasure to be around.  To most of them the  gun  is a necessary piece of equipment.  Our success rate is in the area os 17% in gun fights (FBI stats). 

As far as safety violations, I have been swept more times on a police range then on a CAS range. 
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2010, 06:13:26 pm »

First, on a range you're under a slightly diffent situation than being out in public. I've never had a problem with a cold range as long as we treat it like it's a hot range.

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If you're going to carry - then you need to prove that you're capable of doing so.

 Second, it's The Right To Carry. Just like voting, peaceful assembly, freedom of religon and all those other Rights. While I think that we should all practice and qualify, I really don't want any branch of the Gov't deciding who can exercise any Right based on a test or score. Now there are those who, for whatever reason (convicted felon, mentally defience, not a citizen as examples) don't have certian Rights, as a general rule we should all have the Right To Carry. Rights should be removed from those who prove they are not responsible enough to exercirse that Right or who have violated the Rights of others. Rights should not denied until you prove that you meet some Gov't requirement. Do you really want the Mayor of New York or a Senator from California deciding on the test you need to pass to exercise your Right to carry?
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2010, 10:38:03 pm »

Food for thought, I think it goes much deeper than what We think.  Angry

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2010, 03:01:10 am »

Food for thought, I think it goes much deeper than what We think.  Angry

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You are right, and thank you for the video.   Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2011, 04:44:06 pm »

28 year retired fed LEO- I am totally Pro civilian CCW for law-abiding citizens with background check having been done to show no felony history. And, if anyone here thinks that the pols won't take away LEO retiree LEOSA carry and/or off-duty CCW rights for LEO's in a heartbeat if they have an inch of wiggle room, grow up and smell the coffee. Oh, yeah "We" are all in "This" 2A struggle together politically and had better NOT get arrogant against the civilian CCW. And I know several brethren cops who are arrogantly and naively against civilian CCW. I think they are nuts and argue with them ceaselessly because their argumnts are stupid.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2011, 09:23:01 pm »

Imagine that you have to receive training and be tested in order to vote. It might, given the right training and the right test give us better Voters. But suppose Obama is the guy setting up the training and the test. Wanna bet things will be better the next election.
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2011, 07:29:12 pm »

If we have to depend upon ourselves and brother LEOs to ensure a stand against criminals we are in serious straits. We need to understand that the 2A right to carry applies equally to all Citizens whether LE or not. I am personally familiar with 2 cases where armed citizens have stepped in after LEOs were shot and ended a bottom feeder's career in crime. In my time as both working and retired LE I have learned to sincerely fear any LEO or politician who is against gun rights. They are the ones who endanger all of us.
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2011, 08:58:44 pm »

Their Hypocrisy, it seems, knows NO bounds...

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-guns-20110316,0,7963307.story

"Democrats who have voted to limit gun rights now want a special privilege for lawmakers. Three state legislators have coauthored a bill that would make it easier for California elected officials to obtain a concealed weapons permit. The surprising thing about this bill isn't just that it has appeared in California, which tends to favor restrictive gun laws, but that its coauthors are all Democrats who in the past have voted to limit gun rights for ordinary citizens. SB 610 was introduced by Sen. Roderick Wright of Inglewood, who in 2009 voted for a bill limiting the ability of residents from rural counties to use their gun-carry permits in large urban counties; another coauthor, Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgiani of Tracy, voted for the same bill. The third, Sen. Lou Correa of Santa Ana, voted for a Galgiani bill last year prohibiting the carrying of even unloaded firearms in the state Capitol."

These are the people Californians elected to lead them. This is why I could NEVER, EVER vote democrat.
Gawd, what a Bunch of TURDS!
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And, Yes, I am for public carry, as long as that person has a clean record and attends / passes a firearms safety class for that specific weapon.
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2011, 09:19:32 am »

When the police do not support the citizens' right to bear arms, they become merely a tool of oppression. It ain't rocket science but it's too much for many politicians to wrap their pinheads around. Angry

From Sir Robert Peel's nine principles of policing:
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2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2011, 10:32:34 am »

Here's a thought, why not, about twice a year, have a range day where Officers/Deputies teach better gun handling to Citizens? In fact let Citizens shoot the Department course to evaluate themselves. If we, the LEOs, work with the Public and maybe establish contacts with them it could be a win-win situation, IMO.
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2011, 10:45:42 am »

Here's a thought, why not, about twice a year, have a range day where Officers/Deputies teach better gun handling to Citizens? In fact let Citizens shoot the Department course to evaluate themselves. If we, the LEOs, work with the Public and maybe establish contacts with them it could be a win-win situation, IMO.

Sounds like a good idea as long as it isn't mandatory.  Encourage it all you want, but mandatory training is government infringement any way you slice it.

Also make it affordable...like the cost of materials only.  Too many can't / won't pay a lot for it.
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2011, 10:50:46 am »

Forty Rod, I agree completely. It could save a Citizens butt after a shooting to say that he'd attended a Training Day with the Local Agency and shot their course.
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2012, 06:12:01 pm »

@ Shotgun & Forty Rod - I could'nt agree with you more!
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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2012, 08:03:18 pm »

Well I got my first concealed carry license when they first came onto the scene back in the early 80's but had carried since I was 21 before that. I've lived in 4 states and gotten concealed carry permits in everyone without much problem. I now live in Kentucky and got one for here once I decided to stay. My wife also carries daily as well as I do. I kind of resent the fee to pay for something but do see some need for it also.
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2012, 08:25:39 pm »

Well I got my first concealed carry license when they first came onto the scene back in the early 80's but had carried since I was 21 before that. I've lived in 4 states and gotten concealed carry permits in everyone without much problem. I now live in Kentucky and got one for here once I decided to stay. My wife also carries daily as well as I do. I kind of resent the fee to pay for something but do see some need for it also.
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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2012, 08:47:29 pm »

I'm old enough to remember, but wasn't old enough to vote under, the Pole Tax. I just don't see any difference in'm. No one eligible to exercise a Right should have to pay to do so.
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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2012, 09:56:02 pm »

I'm old enough to remember, but wasn't old enough to vote under, the Pole Tax. I just don't see any difference in'm. No one eligible to exercise a Right should have to pay to do so.

I agree, but if they insist on a background check and a fancy photo ID type license then I see why they charge every 5 years. None of that stuff should be required in my opinion at all.
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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2012, 10:18:56 pm »

We have all seen the wild antics of newbies at the range. I hate regulations, but there should be some level of competency.

Afterall, we have to qualify every year.

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I agree with you. Having shot the Virginia DCJS firearms qualification with four different weapons and achieving a perfect score each time I do not think much of either the qualification process nor the minimum standard. I believe 7 and in was full points on the B-27. I couldn't pull the trigger fast enough to drop a point at the distances required. I saw others that could not hold even this generous margin reliably still "qualify." I like the US Navy standard much better. The transitional Q is harder to see the rings and a more stringent 5 point zone is enforced. 48 Rounds with 240 possible points and practical things like multiple firing positions and timed reloads. If you qualify here you at least have some semblance of marksmanship with a handgun. I believe there should be an improvement in the civilian carry and police qualification standards. It should be enough that no one should pass if they do not practice regularly. The last thing I want is to be hit by errant shots from Tacticool Tommy in his IDPA vest or or Quick Draw McGoof who only practices once a year.  Both these men are idiots and have no dang bidness toting a shootin' iron in the first place despite his badge or tactical vest instilled false confidence.

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I agree that there should be no legal requirements or restrictions on firearms carriage. If men would be men and practice with their arms there. Would be a different story if folks took more pride in their marksmanship and skill at arms.
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2012, 12:21:02 am »

I am a retired California LEO.  I carry ALL the time (a model 469 S&W compact 9mm).  I am an advocate of citizen carry like in Nevada, WA, TX and FL.
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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2012, 12:47:25 am »

I am 65 years old, been carrying since I was 15 years old. I don't need the governments or anybody elses permission to do so. I also don't feel the need to prove to anybody about whether I have the right to carry or not. Not in a hurry to go to jail or die but I will die on my feet and not my knees.

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2012, 06:04:10 pm »

When the police do not support the citizens' right to bear arms, they become merely a tool of oppression. It ain't rocket science but it's too much for many politicians to wrap their pinheads around. Angry

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