Reloading for a miss

[Sam Westley]

          We just shot our monthly match here at "THE BAD COWBOYS". one of our shooters reloaded his pistol to take a second shot at a bonus target (yes he hit the target but not the bonus). On his second shot he got the bonus...giving him two(2) hit on that target.  Is there a call for this ?  What would that call be.

          Our call was to not give him the bonus, and because he intentionally shot the target twice to get the bonus we also gave him a miss. Although this is NOT covered in the rules, we remembered this from when we started shooting Western 3 Gun.

          Sam Westley

P. S.   We are about to unleash info for the EAST COAST CHAMPIONSHIP!?!       yeehaa!

[Max Doolin]

Howdy Sam, I'm purty sure its nothing more than a no bonus type
thing after all how could you award a miss...if he hit the target both times ?
I know you can reload to make up a miss, I don't think it matters.
This is the second time I'v heard of someone awarding a miss when
the shooter didn't have one........common sense lets use it.

[Montego]

Hi Sam Westley,
 My understanding of the W3G rules is that he should not have been penalized at all. He should not get any miss, and he should get the bonus.

W3G scoring counts 2 things; misses & bonuses (hits are not counted). He didn't miss, and he did hit the bonus. Simple.

According to page 3 of the Western 3 Gun Rulebook:
http://www.western3gun.com/rules.htm

 Hit:  A hit is defined as any strike on the target, including edgers.
 Miss:  All guns may be reloaded to reengage a missed target.   

In practice, I believe that since the bonus section of the target was not hit by his first shot at it, he was OK to shoot at the bonus target again even though he did hit the non-bonus section of the target already. This also matches up with how the rules were explained to me when I first started W3G. However, unless he's a real ding-dang good reloader, he probably didn't benefit from reloading to get a 1 second bonus hit. This tactic would be more advantageous in "Action Pistol" where you have lots of ammo in magazines.

Now, if this was SASS shooting, it would be totally different.

Montego

[Black Jack Traven]

In Western 3 Gun, the best hit on the target counts. If the target required only one hit and the shooter placed two hits on the target, score the hit that provides the best score.

Cheers,
Black Jack Traven

[Sam Westley]

    As stated by Montego and the rules...All guns may be reloaded to REENGAGE A MISSED TARGET. He did not miss the target, he just didn't get the bonus...all considered, this means  I can (safely) reload my rifle and or pistols to pick-up any missed BONUS with my only penalty being the extra time it takes to reload?!  I don't know, maybe we should allow pick-up bonuses(?) with the shotgun and shotgun targets with pistols or rifles!

Sam

[Max Doolin]

Sam, I wouldn't sweat it much anyone how'd reload trying to get all the bonus' will get tired
and stop the practice after seeing that even with all bonus' hit they finish at the bottom of
the frey...LoL !!

P.S. I thought I read the first post saying he'd missed the bonus with the second shot also...
humm...ahwell.. I woulda gave him the bonus an no penalty.

[Irish Red O'Toole]

Sam,

BJT is steering you in the right direction regarding W3G philosophy.  If the shooter wants to try again at a bonus, he'll have to reload the appropriate gun (taking the time to do it) to re-engage the target(s).  Rifle targets shot with rifle, pistol targets with pistols, and shotgun with shotgun.  Since this is a speed and accuracy sport, the "penalty" is the time it take to reload whichever gun he's reloading.  I think we've termed it, shoot until you're happy with the outcome.  Otherwise, don't sweat the little details.  Hopefully, Lefty will jump on and clear it up with the "view from the mount".....

[Montego]

I don't see it in the rules, but I was taught that if I missed with a pistol, and the rifle was next, I could shoot that missed target again with the pistol, knowing that I would then be one pistol bullet short - then pick up the rifle and shoot the last pistol target with the rifle. If it can be done safely of course. Then reload rifle rounds as necessary to complete the rifle targets. It's easier for most people to load a rifle round quickly on the clock than a pistol. 

And if I understand the W3G basics, there is no rule that says you have to hit certain targets with rounds from a certain gun. Only that you have to shoot the guns in a certain order.

As much as I appreciate the short & simple W3G rulebook, we might need a few things permanently clarified in the rules so everybody is playing the same game.

Montego

[Cold Iron Charlie]

All this talk of reloading begs the question...WHY would you reload any weapon to pick up a 1 second bonus? Inquiring minds want to know. Cold Iron

[Black Jack Traven]

Charlie,

I can think of two reasons.

1. You are trying for a "clean" match with all bonuses.

2. There was a bonus worth more than a second.

Could be other reasons but they elude me just now...........