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« on: February 27, 2008, 04:22:33 pm »


well I decided to send my 97 copy off to coyote cap. I found out the version I have is one of the rougher versions out there.
But after talking with him over the phone I know he knows his stuff. He let me know some of the problems he has had with this makers guns, but said he should be able to make it run great. that is if the parts are not to far out of spec. If so may have to modify the more popular makers to fit. He is heading out to winter range so will be ready in about a month. This will be fine for me, as my work schedule will keep me tied up til the end of April or the first of May. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 01:42:29 pm »

I hope you have a back up shotgun, my 4-6 week wait for an action job, cut bbl, and stock on a trade-in he already had, was a 26 week fiasco. JB
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 09:49:16 pm »

I have purchased seven guns from Cap and had him do action jobs on them.  I have sent my old '97 to him for a complete rebuild, barrel cut down, action job, new stock, etc.  I have dealt with a lot of guys who sell CAS stuff and this guy is one of the best  -- and that's why he is busy.  Every weekend when I watch many my pards trying to pull their empty shells out of their shotguns I say a little prayer for Cap.  He's worth the wait.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 02:39:29 am »

yea I talked to him last week, he is backed up right now. The way I understand it he has a new laser contraption, that he trying to get set up. I did get an old sxs for a backup. I have been working on it my self. Just a little more tweeking. Also just bought a nice 97 winchester that has been worked on and used in cas. The former owner is now deceased, so his gun will still live on in cas.
The good thing is the new 97 cost me half what my chinchester will with action job. Grin
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2008, 09:05:46 am »

Hey Pard, just wondering if you got your shotgun back yet or if your running into the same lame excuses I got for 6 months.  JB
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 08:40:08 am »

Well just three more months to go.  I did get the sxs I wrote about, later after emailing cap, I bought a original 97 TD. This was a gun that a gent, who had passed on, had owned. This gent was into cas also and had the gun slicked up by a smith. I work with cnc operators and they tell me that they could have made a new receiver in a day or so with the original to copy. Cap said that my receiver is so far out of tolerance that he can only work on it a few minutes at a time. I guess next time I won't send the money needed for the job to be done til get a letter saying it is done. I have always tried to pay in advance when getting custom work done, so the man knows he gets his money. Yep so three times the length of time as originally stated in the phone conversation we originally had. Angry
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 06:26:52 pm »

Well in two days it will be four months, That cap has had my shotgun. I sure am glad I bought the sxs and the original 97 td. I would have missed out on a lot of shooting this year, Three months worth anyway waiting for this other to get done.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 06:56:21 am »

Lets see, if he recycles excuses, i'll list a few.  I forgot, Im very busy, maybe my son can take a look at it, sick family menber, dieing family member, funeral, getting ready for EOT, going to EOT, went to Alaska, Sent shotgun forgot to cut the barell, sent gun back, resent gun, gun went missing from UPS ( not his fault ) but could have mailed it priorty, after all the delays and hassle so I could have it in time for the SASS N. E. Regionals, which is why I thought buying a used shotgun he already had and have an action job and cut barell and stock, and big bead installed in late June for an event in October would not be a problem.  Any how he mailed it ground to save a few bucks and it was stolen at the UPS warehouse, and after  month of heat from ATF the shotgun was mysteriously mailed back to Cap. Finally got it in December.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 02:17:27 pm »

 I went through a lot of the same things with Cap.
But I am still proud to call him my friend . He is a viet vet , and a pioneer in cowboy shooting.
everyone , including me complained about the 87 lever , but it would never have existed without Cap . and it is hoot to shoot and own.
  With out Cap we would still be getting Crap from I.A.C. He gave them his engineering expertise & He made sure the stocks and lever wraps and many of the parts were made by folks in the USA.
   He is a good man , but like a few humans he has some faults.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 10:02:38 am »

I don't recall calling Caps patriotic status or his contributions to CAS into question. If he takes a mans hard earned money in exchange for a service and gives a time frame for completion, there is an obligation there to do the work, and complete it in a timely manner. JB
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 06:35:20 pm »

I emailed Cap again, he answered back a week later. He said that he is running 30 to 45 days behind, I emailed back that mine is 4 months behind. No answer as of yet.
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 12:05:39 am »

Whats the word on your 97?
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2008, 10:06:15 pm »

no gun yet. I will be emailing cap again, this time I will send it as a reply to his last email. 5 months and still waiting. Angry
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 09:34:16 am »

Why don't you pick up the phone and call him? Huh
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 08:25:34 pm »

I did that the first time prior to sending the gun to him. He stated it would take about a month to get back. After about 6 weeks I emailed him, no return. So called He said that he has worked on it off and on, should be done shortly. From there I email every month, and talked to him on phone a couple more times. I will wait another month, then I will probably have to try calling again. On one conversation with him I asked to have my gun returned along with my money, that was when stated that it would not be much longer til done, I think that was in May. It does seem that he runs about 6 months time frame on guns from what others have said. I understand that He is great at what he does, but I should get a honest time that it will be done. Also He got annoid by my sending emails and calling about this gun, He knew which 97 this was prior to accepting the job.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 09:32:19 am »

Juts make sure and keep all your e-mails.  If you order something custom or a service the date for protesting charges is after the promised date on the product or the service and NOT the date that the charge was made.  Maybe if you call and start talking about requesting a charge back on your card you will get his attention.


BTW, I agree whole heartedly with you on the time thing.  I don't mind waiting for good service or a good product but don't keep telling me that you're working on it or that it's going to be done when you know darn good and well that it's not.  There's just no call for that.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 10:58:32 am »

Juts make sure and keep all your e-mails.  If you order something custom or a service the date for protesting charges is after the promised date on the product or the service and NOT the date that the charge was made.  Maybe if you call and start talking about requesting a charge back on your card you will get his attention.


BTW, I agree whole heartedly with you on the time thing.  I don't mind waiting for good service or a good product but don't keep telling me that you're working on it or that it's going to be done when you know darn good and well that it's not.  There's just no call for that.

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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 09:35:00 pm »

I went to Caps sight tonight, and saw his schedule for the year. I see why he is getting behind on his work at the shop. His traveling will be slowing down, starting this month. So maybe mine will be coming soon.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 03:27:43 pm »

Cap should be ashamed of himself, BSJ has missed almost an entire season to lame excuses and downright lies.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 05:30:09 pm »

well Cap is suposed to be working on my shotgun. he asked to grind out one part of the reciever and weld it back in to make for a more reliable gun. He also asked not to have to reblue the reciever after welding, which dont bother me none any way. If I don't like it I will just thin out the  blueing on the rest of the gun, give the well beaten look. Or have it done with dura coat, maybe tiger stripe to fit the time period, oh wrong period.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 06:46:24 pm »

I received a notice that my gun is at ups station. Tried to deliver but not home. I will see if 6 months was worth the wait and money.
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2008, 09:28:29 am »

Wish I had found this thread earlier.  13 weeks and counting....



Shortly after this was first posted Cap gave me a call and and a garuntee as to when I'd recieve the shotgun.  Cap "stepped to the plate" and got it here early.   Beautiful gun Cap Thanks.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2008, 06:30:29 pm »

As I stated in other posts the gun is back, slick as one would want. Runs great, I have an 1907 model 97 that I will have my wife use. I just can't make up my mind about using Him again. Again He does do great work, It is the time thing not money that bothered me. If I was able to hand over an extra hundred to get it back in a couple weeks, I would jump at letting him do the work. JMO
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2009, 05:40:50 pm »

 Undecided  It seems to me that the forum should start a gunsmith reliability poll or site like angies' list.  We've all heard about the rules of the good guys in the old west.  Anyone who makes a promise and takes money and doesn't deliver isn't following the spirit of the game.  "Quality is worth the wait."  OK.  If you tell me it's 3 days and I buy I expect it in 3 days.  Likewise if you tell me it's gonna be 4 years....I have the choice to buy or not.

However, if you tell me it's going to be delivered in 3 weeks (current web promise) or when you get my trade (email promise) and you take my money and don't deliver, then you're lying to me, your cheating me, in short, you're the bad guy, not the customer.  Shucks, even ebay has a feedback loop on sellers.

CAS shooters tend to be very trusting.  Violate our trust and what recourse do we have?  Most of us live in other states and can't even get the law's help.

Having a vendor get "pissed" because someone complains about poor service and then moving that buyer to the end of his list just ain't right.  Stop selling guns until you clear your list.
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2009, 08:16:36 pm »

gun still runs great, after most of a season.
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