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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2007, 07:31:20 pm »

Ok here we go again.
My new (to me) Henry has no date code that I can see, a Cat number, two proofs and the S/N on the bottom tang covered by the lever. however the Tape on the box, there is NOTHING elase on the box anywhere, has the Gardone (BS)(2002??) tape one place on the box the other tw pieces of tape don't have the (BS) on them. Bottom Tang reads, Trigger to butt, Cat7351, two proofmarks, A UBERTI ITALY,  W1428X

I cannot believe there isn't a sticker like the one above on this box anywhere, and not remains of one either. Box is clean!
 
The side of the bbl at the left breech reads +STOEGER, ACCONEEK, MD-A UBERTI-ITALY+ and 2 proofmarks.
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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2007, 01:44:10 am »

Charlie......I know the feeling.....I never looked at the end of my box! When I sent the serial# to S.Webb she replied with the year....date code....who the gun was shipped too and on what date it was made and the date shipped....I think you should e-mail her....a nice lady and willing to help,good luck,Dusty.PS: After I received all this info I then looked at the end of my box and all the info was there....weird yours has nothing? The tape on my box was the same as yours(2002)my gun was made in 03 and I made the purchase in 05.....a brand new gun....I think they(Uberti)work like the US Army.....they use all the old stuff up(tape)before they go to the next batch.....only a guess on my part. My gun was shipped to taylors so....either Uberti is shipping the guns that way or the dealer has some blank Uberti box's....I thought I had a box from another gun and the dealer goofed.... but not so.
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2007, 08:04:56 pm »

I sent S. Webb an email last night and had a response waiting for me when I came home this evening!  She told me that I forgot the serial number. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes 

She was courteous to the utmost.  At first, I didn't want to email her because I imagined the barrage of inquiries that she must endure during her day, but this thread made me do it.  I must to know... Grin
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2007, 09:22:37 pm »

Trinity ....post your info.when you receive it from Uberti....we all want the scoop.....Yep....I guess she can't read your mind,a serial# helps. Dusty.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2007, 09:36:01 pm »

She's going to hate us. I emailed her today as well with my S/N and all the other info.
Since mine is marked Stoeger I'm pretty sure that is where it came from but would like to know when.
Seller said it was a new gun, only used in one match     ".......and she only drove it one Sundays to church"
It acts like a new gun, but I have seen "new" revolvers from various importers that are NIB but several years old. So Why Not a Henry.
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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2007, 09:43:20 pm »

Yep.....I own one! I have seen brand new guns(NIB) full of BP....now.. I know in AZ they must be tested by the dealer(or somebody) before they are sold but it looks like to me they went to an event and had a ball then sold the gun as NIB. I'm I wrong? Dusty.
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2007, 09:49:31 pm »

Charlie....I have a friend who is a professional guitar player....when he wants to buy a new(used) guitar from one of my friends....he says I need it for church,he gets a great deal out of them then turns around and sells it for a profit so...now when we hear the old line "I looking for a guitar to play in church"....we all LOL. You may have some good luck with it though. Dusty.
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2007, 10:53:05 pm »

It shoots great and that is what counts.

I never got a NIB gun with BP residue in it from anyone, but I have cleaned out 35-40 years old factory grease from NIB guns.
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« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2007, 11:03:19 pm »

Charlie....You are correct on all counts here.....if S.Webb reads any of these posts on this thread or the other one....she will blame me I think....that is part of her Job and she is a nice Lady so I think we will be ok.....if hundreds of CAS people e-mail her they will change the e-mail address I guess. Dusty.
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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2007, 12:33:06 pm »

Ms, Webb replied that my gun is Code 0288 and was shipped to Stoeger May 19, 2006.
So it is pretty new. So Code 0288 must be 2006 MFG. (by the shipping date.)
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2007, 05:30:01 pm »

That's GREAT Charlie! You lucked out. Correct....Code 0288 is 2006....now you know. Dusty.
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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2007, 05:33:54 pm »

I got a prompt reply too!

Charlie, your 0288 code represents only the model.  I don't know where we can find the production information other than to ask Uberti, but this is what she wrote me:

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Thanks for your e-mail.
Code 0220 means 1866 Carbine  cal.38Sp. bbl.19".
 
Your gun was originally imported by Navy Arms Co on 21st July 2005

Again, a very pleasant lady.

Thanks on my behalf for passing along the email address, Avacado Kid.  I do wonder, however, how Ms. Webb feels. Grin
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2007, 05:44:41 pm »

Trinity....I hope she isn't angry with me or the people here on CAS.....its just part of her Job although,she is the only person at Uberti or one of the few that speaks English well enough to talk with bone heads like us so....I bet she stays pretty busy."I don't know where we can find the production information other than to ask Uberti".......this info will be hard to get......they don't like to give out this info......same with guns as it is with guitars,drums etc. Dusty.
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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2007, 06:18:10 pm »

Actually in her email to me was the email from a lady in italy at uberti and I have her address too. it was in english, that is where the code was. Not in the email from ms. Webb.

Shoot my gun is barely a year old COOL! It does act it. Wonder now when it was bought at Stoeger?  Aw shoot this is good enough info.
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2007, 07:29:31 pm »

Charlie....you could call or e-mail them...you have all the info.now. Dusty.
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2007, 01:50:14 am »

To add faces to the Uberti names: left Giacomo Merlino, Suzanne Webb right.
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2007, 07:29:01 pm »

Many thanks, Bootsie!

It is indeed nice to put a face with the voice text. Grin
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2007, 08:53:35 pm »

Date codes for Italian firearms


1      1945       XXVI    1970         BF      1995
2      1946       XX7     1971         BH     1996
3      1947       XX8     1972         BI      1997
4      1948       XX9     1973         BL      1998
5      1949       XXX     1974         BM     1999
6      1950       AA      1975          BN     2000
7      1951       AB      1976          BP     2001
8      1952       AC      1977          BS     2002
9      1953       AD      1978          BT     2003
X      1954       AE      1979          BU     2004
XI     1955       AF      1980          BZ     2005
XII    1956       AH      1981         CA     2006
XIII   1957       AI      1982          CB     2007
XIV   1958       AL      1983          CC     2008
XV     1959      AM      1984         CD     2009
XVI    1960      AN      1985         CE      2010
XVII   1961      AP      1986
XVIII  1962      AS      1987
XIX     1963     AT      1988
XX      1964     AU      1989
XXI     1965     AZ      1990
XXII    1966     BA      1991
XXIII   1967     BB      1992
XXIV    1968    BC      1993
XXV     1969    BD      1994
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2007, 09:26:20 pm »

Yessirree BOB!

I did find the two letter code on my Henry. I disassembled it this evening to clean it and I took the stock off to get to the mainspring.(I don't like unscrewing something I cannot see).  Low and behold on the left side of the top tang there is a proofmark and a CA in a box, the Uberti Gun Muzzle mark w/U and the S/N once again. The latter two appear to be stamped with ink or some kind of black dye.Or possible laser engraved. The two Letters in the box are stamped.

So the newer guns DO have the two letter Date Code and mine Jives with the info from Ms. Webb that my gun is a 2006.

Take the stock off your Yellow Boys and your Henry's and look at the left sides of the upper tangs and maybe the lower tangs too.

Thanks Major 2 for the date code update!
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2007, 03:18:39 am »

HCC....I have never removed the butt-stock on my "yellowboy"......is it just the top and lower screw on the tangs? Do you need a smith screwdriver to do this? Nice to know where it is located though. Dusty.
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« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2007, 11:44:47 am »

Dusty,
Yes it is just the blued big screws at the ends of the tangs.
The top screw is threaded into the bottom tang, the bottom screw is a wood screw.
I use Chapman screwdrivers for all my gun work as they fit the slots better than just any old screwdriver. Chapman screwdrivers are available from Dixie Gunworks for about $20-$25.00 or so and well worth the investment. The stock has lips at the forward ends to keep them inline with the tangs and frame.


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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2007, 01:30:12 am »

HCC.....THANKS FOR THE INFO. DUSTY.
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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2007, 08:50:20 pm »

I just today completed a trade for a unseen(except for pictures over the computer) Uberti .38 cal, 1866 yellowboy and the first thing I wanted to check was the loading gate. Appears to have the older original style loading gate with a heavier piece of iron tab for the cartridge stop.  After looking at the posted dates of manufacture, I see I have the XXVI stamped on the barrel and wood finish is more like older style oiled finish. From the posted date chart it looks like this 66 was made 1970??? Shocked, It's stiffer than all get out and the cocking lever springs look heavier than my other two newer models (Henry & '73) from the year 2001 date of manufacture or BP in a box on the lower tang. I'll plan on getting some pics of it before some planned alterations to smooth the action, but going to shoot first a few times for accuracy. thanks for the date chart. Marked Navy Arms on the barrel and also has the trigger safety.
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2007, 11:46:35 pm »

stepnmud, you will find the lever safety to be a slightly different mechanism, and certainly a different spring than the 73, which is more like the original Winchester.  I have an old Navy Arms 66 with the old Uberti lever safety, and it had a broken spring some years ago.  Since no parts were available, I bought a Henry trigger, trigger spring and screw then machined a seat and screw thread in the receiver for the Henry trigger spring to get the gun working again.

Now, I understand, VTI has parts for the old Uberti lever safety.
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2007, 06:46:24 am »

Thanks Flint,

I was a bit concerned about replacement parts after learning the date of manufacture.
This 66 is slightly used and has a few dings a scrapes on the receiver and marks on wood, but overall the insides appear almost new but can tell it's been apart before.
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