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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2017, 06:15:15 am »

Hello Doc,

You should be able to make 44 Remington from 44 Colt.
Here is what I have for the 44 Remington.

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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2017, 09:13:12 am »

Looking at those case dimensions, it's easy to see why a 44 Colt wouldn't chamber in a 44 Rem 1875. And while you might find the occasional 1875 with 'generous' chambers that would allow the Colt in, you would almost have to wonder how many of those were 'helped' by reaming out the chambers ever so slightly as the supply of the Colt cartridges became easier to find than the Remington ones. Huh
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2017, 04:44:32 pm »

Pathfinder,

I think all the confusion comes from the .44 Martin, which is the same as the .44 Colt.
Arsenal loaded ammo says for the Colt & Remington Revolvers, they should have said for the Colt & Remington Conversion Revolvers.
I load the .44 Colt Original for my 1858 Howell Conversion with 200 gr. .451 Diameter Heeled Bullets.

The .44 Remington CF didn't show up until the 1875's came out, this I believe is the only revolver chambered for .44 Remington CF.
I didn't post earlier, but I have a bullet diameter of .447" listed.

I'm not an expert on this, but this is how I see it.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2017, 05:59:31 pm »

AntiqueSledMan,

     I think you're probably right, or as right as we'll ever figure out a hundred plus years too late.  Huh I also got into loading the original 44 Colt, had John Gren do an 1860 Army conversion to use the original cartridge back in 1990 or so. Used a Rapine 210 grain mold for the 44 Colt heel base, turned out to be too long for the cylinder unless I cut the brass down to 44 Russian length. The first few I had to run the nose over a file to flat point it so the cylinder would turn, not something I would ever recommend anyone else doing to loaded ammo. Apparently I survived it without any unexpected detonations, won't even speculate if someone else would, so DON'T anyone try. The old cartridge was a hoot to shoot, but I can honestly say the new version out of the new Uberti Richards are a whole lot easier to put together. Must be getting lazy since I became a senior citizen. Grin
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 02:22:34 pm »

Hello Doc,

You should be able to make 44 Remington from 44 Colt.
Here is what I have for the 44 Remington.

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Thanks ASM, I can't ream our to 45Colt without ruining value, but I will try polishing the chamber throats to a high shine and try some of OWBM's 44 Colts for size. If they din't fit, I will sell them and order more of their 44REMcf. They shoot fine, but 9 inches high due to filed front sight by original owner. Thanks, Doc
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 06:43:41 pm »

Hello Doc,

A 44 Special, or 44 Mag would be the same diameter case as the 44 Colt.
CH4D has the 44 Remington Revolver listed at $114.11 for a 3 die set.
A sizing die alone is listed at $69.56. I think that would be the way to go.
Simply size the Starline 44 Colt case to fit the revolver.
Maybe one could get a special order carbide sizing die from Lee.

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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2018, 11:13:42 am »

CH4D is my go-to source for dies for calibres that are out-of-the-ordinary. Also for specific tools for case conversions.
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2018, 11:32:07 am »

Pathfibder,

Digging through some stuff I stumbled across this in Remington's 1933 ammo listing.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2018, 01:52:51 pm »

ASM, I actually have a full box of 'em in my collection. Probably what got me interested in the conversions in the first place.
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2018, 08:54:55 am »

Pathfinder,

It's easy to see how this cartridge was missed in so many books,
the only place I could find it was in the 1877 Remington Catalog
on page 41, priced at $18/1000. Primed cases were $15/1000.
See attached for good reading.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/ammunition-catalogs

Doc,

Larry Pottefield made some 44 S&W American from 41 Mag cases,
Maybe the same could be done for 44 Remington?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWXz3GR6seo

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2018, 11:07:12 am »

Here is my favorite case dimension chart. It is set on pistol ammo, but scroll to the bottom to go to other charts;

http://www.cartridge-corner.com/revolver.htm

P.S: the only absent dimension is for rim thickness!
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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2018, 03:39:37 pm »

Maybe the 220 Swift would make a good parent case.
Midway has them on sale right now.

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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2018, 05:01:18 pm »

Probably as close as you're going to get.
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2018, 06:52:03 pm »

Don't fuss about case differences of a few measly thou' or so. It is the base diameter that is the important one. The donor case can be a bit smaller and get blown out, If it a bit over some trimming or swaging might do it WITHIN REASON.

Also remember that cutting a rifle case down leaves you with some pretty thick walls. Best to find another pistol case as feed stock.

here is the classic reference;  https://www.amazon.ca/Home-Guide-Cartridge-Conversions/dp/0882270052

Here is another, but I've not read it; https://www.amazon.com/Handloaders-Manual-Cartridge-Conversions/dp/0883171368

MY Recommendation is to start with the .44 Colt! You might not have to change anything to make some effective noise.
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without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
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