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« on: June 27, 2006, 08:58:55 am »

You hear allkinds of things about what to do for leather and what not to do so I thought that I would put it up for discussion here.


Belt and holsters - I don't currently do anything for mine but my old set needs something.  I have heard put oil on them to keep them from drying out and I have heard don't put oil on them because it will make them soft and rot the stiching.  What's a girl to do?


One pair of boots that I have are Earthwalkers.  They are very, very thick bullhide leather.  Soft leather but heavy and thick.  I bought some Lexol cleaner to use on them when they need a good cleaning and I also bought some Lexol conditioner.  MOST of the time I just wipe them off with a damp rag and let them go at that but I fugure every now and then they need something.  They were losing their color.  Good, bad, right, wrong?  Is there something better that I can do?  Stephan, the guy that made the boots is the one that told me to use the Lexol cleaner.  I picked up the conditioner on my own.
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 11:36:52 am »

I've used Lexol for years and I like it.
I use Pecards as well on dry leather....

Old timers will swear by neets foot, but they use it sparingly. I've seen way to many old saddles over oiled and ruined.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 02:31:22 pm »

Any good leather conditioner will help. When leather gets old and dry, it really needs something that can replace the natural oils. Neetsfoot needs to be used sparingly, as the Major said. I've never used Lexol, but many swear by it.

I have some Leather New liquid glycerine saddle soap by Farnam that works wonders, too. I'm not sure what the ingredients are, but it must have some lanolin or oil in it. I use it to soften leather after I dye it. I'm pleased with it.

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=2E87C2F6-7B6A-11D5-A192-00B0D0204AE5&ccd=INK001

Thanks for asking this, Cammie. Since this is a common need, I'll sticky this thread so it will be easy to find in the future. Hopefully we can get some other ideas posted here, too.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 04:08:52 pm »

disclaimer: I, Chuck Burrows, disclaim any responsiblity for damage to your leather goods when using these recommendations and/or products as I have no control over their proper or improper application...................

to quote Dave Nitzel, friend and master leather craftsman:
"The opinions on how to best care for your leathergoods are as vast as the number of products available, and there are many."

Personal Recommendations:
I recommend the following steps and products in caring for your leather goods. As for my expertise in this matter I have used leather holsters, boots, and horse gear in all kinds of weather from the rainy Pacific Northwest, where I once worked as a logger, to the high, very dry desert of country of the Southwest, where we now live, as well as the humid South where I was born and raised. Just remember: leather is a unique, natural product and unlike most things its appearance can actually improve with age. Leather is also one of the most durable and long lasting investments money can buy. Proper care will help protect that investment.

*** Animal Oils as Leather Conditioners ***
A SUMMARY OF INFORMATION PROVIDED BY INDEPENDENT LEATHER EXPERTS
Regarding the rumor that animal oil deteriorates leather: Independent leather experts state that if leather is properly cared for (periodically cleaned, dried and conditioned) this will not occur. Furthermore, leather professionals maintain that leather which is neglected or which is conditioned while dirty or soaking wet will be damaged more by dirt, debris, bacteria, mold mildew, moisture. It is not the animal oil, but poor care which is the culprit.A conditioner which contains animal oil is not harmful to leather in and of itself. Poor or negligent leather care is harmful to leather. Ultimately, problems of mold or rancidity are the result of lack of proper leather care.
Every piece of leather in existence started out as living skin on an animal, stuffed with oil and fat as well as a large amount of water. Hides begin loaded with grease and fat; they are degreased prior to the tanning process, after which oils are restored to the hides through "fat liquoring" or "hot-stuffing". Oil must be added to the hide to restore suppleness. Animal oils have always been used in fat-liquoring and have a tremendous historical track record. In the past, sperm whale oil was used primarily. Tanneries commonly use such oils as: animal oil, fish oil, vegetable oil, and some mineral oil. The use of oil in after-market conditioners is absolutely necessary for lubrication. Beeswax in a product provides a water-repellent barrier.
A personal note to the above: I have a pair of boots that I used continuously for seventeen years and they were treated with leather conditioners containing both animal oils and beeswax. They have finally worn out, but the conditioners DID NOT rot the threads or leather as is often maintained by some "experts". A scientific study done in the 1990's by a master saddle maker proved that pure neat's foot oil (not neat's foot compound) will not rot leather or thread. Most of the time the rotting factor is water and salt in the form of perspiration or just plain miscare of your leather. You can over oil your leather though and this is why all professional leather people recommend LIGHT coats of conditioner (applying more than one if necessary).

Recommended Leather Care Products (for smooth leather):
1) Cleaners: Recommend using Lexol's PH Balanced Leather Cleaner
2) Standard Conditioners: For normal conditions I regularly use Lexol Conditioner or Fiebings Leather Renew. Both use emulsified oils that don't leave a sticky residue behind. Lexol sometimes leaves a filmy coating after drying that is usually easily buffed off with a soft cloth. You can also rub on a second light coat and wipe off immediately to remove the haze. Both products help replace the necessary oils into the leather
3) Heavy use Conditioners: For day in and day out use of your leather in all kinds of weather: Montana Pitch-Blend Leather Dressing is a product that I have personally used to protect and help keep dry such important items as my logging boots (wet feet are miserable!). As mentioned above in the animal oil section there are some folks who claim these type items will damage your leather, but I have used them extensively and have had no problems with them. But each to his own and there are many other fine products.
4) Polishes:If you want a higher gloss shine use either a clear paste polish found in most stores or try Fiebings Tan Kote. Apply following the manufacturers directions.
Use Leather Cleaner and Conditioner
If you want to protect and prolong the life of your leathers - you must clean and condition them. Excessive dryness can cause leather to crack and too much moisture can cause it to swell, mildew, and then stiffen as it dries out. A good leather cleaning system will clean your leather gently. Leather also requires conditioning to replace the natural lubricants lost during normal use. Just as your own skin dries out when exposed to the elements, so will your leather. If you don’t apply a moisturizer, you're significantly shortening the life of your leather. A good sonditioner will help stop rain, spills or anything wet from staining your leather. Cleaning followed by conditioning is the route to keep leather in good condition.
Some Basic Don'ts
I don't recommend using silicon products or most aerosol "gunk" sprays, because they can impair the leather’s ability to "breathe" by clogging the pores. DO NOT over clean or condition as excess oil and wax attract dirt and dust particles that actually cut the microscopic fibers that make your leather durable. NEVER use harsh household chemicals to clean leather and normally avoid leather preparations that contain alcohol, as it will dry leather out. After using saddle soap don’t forget to wash the excess soap solution off with a clean damp cloth. Avoid drenching the leather with water..
Some Basic Do's
Clean your smooth leather on a regular basis (how often you clean/condition depends on how much and under what conditions you use your leather) using a good saddle soap and follow the directions. If the item is muddy scrape off as much as possible and let it dry; after the remaining mud has dried completely brush it of using a medium stiff natural bristle brush. If your leather is really dusty also brush it off before using saddle soap. While the leather is still damp (NOT soaking wet) from cleaning, apply a thin coat of conditioner, the leather's pores are open and this will help the conditioner to penetrate. Let the item(s) hang in a warm dry place, but NOT near a heat source or in the sun, and after about an hour wipe off any excess conditioner. Wait 24 hours and apply another coat of light conditioner. Wait another 24 hours if you are going to apply a heavy, "water proofing" type conditioner (such as beeswax based). Always follow the manufacturers directions.
Putting a shine on your Leather
Polishing is done for special occasions when you want a more glossy finish on your leather. There are a couple things to be wary of when purchasing a polishing agent. Some products contain coloring factors that will brush off on things you come in contact with. Some products also have a tendency to clog the pores in leather or dry leather out. Just as with cleaning, be sure to test out the product on a small area and when ready, buff to a shine.
Your New Leather
Your newly purchased leather has been treated in the above "light treatment" fashion. If you get stains you don't want (hmmm doesn't that just "improve" the aged look), remove the offending stain as soon you notice them, the longer they go untreated the better the chance is that they’ll leave a permanent stain. If you can’t remove the mark with a few firm rubs using a leather cleaner, don’t keep rubbing as you may damage the leather. It’s important that you use a quality cleaner and conditioner to remove stains. DON"T use the types of solvent or cleaner you normally find under the kitchen sink: they could do a lot of damage to your leather. No matter what technique you use always test it first someplace on the leather that can’t be noticed. A gum eraser will remove a variety of marks from leather. Grease marks can sometimes be removed by rubbing the spot gently with sawdust moistened with benzene (lighter fluid). Most types of glue can be removed with a ball of dryed rubber cement. Again, be careful not to rub hard or the surface may be damaged. Ink is the most difficult stain to remove, because it is much like a dye itself, when attempting to remove the ink you may remove the leathers original dye. You also want to avoid placing sticky back name tags or badges on your leather. They will almost always permanently damage the leather. If you are unable to remove a stain on a leather yourself, your best bet is to send it to a "professional leather cleaner".
Really Wet Leather
Ok, so you get caught in a downpour and your leather goods are sopping wet:
1) Remove any heavy items from the pockets of leather clothing (of course take your gun out of your holster).
2) If possible take a dry towel and soak up as much as you can - don’t rub - just blot. If a towel isn’t handy shake as much wetness from the leather as possible.
3) To help keep your holsters or boots shape stuff them with paper towels and or un-inked newsprint (you can usually buy end rolls for pretty cheap from the local newspaper). Change the paper frequently until it quits absorbing water and then remove it to allow the item to dry from the inside and outside. For boot drying I can also highly recommend the PEET boot dryer, it just circulates a current of room temperature air into your upturned boots or shoes.
4) Let your leather air dry naturally, avoiding direct heat or sunlight.
5) When your leather is nearly dry, apply a little light conditioner. Follow that up with a full conditioning treatment as listed above when the leather is totally dry.
6) Leather with a nap, such as suede, should be brushed after drying with a soft natural bristle brush or terry cloth.
Leather Garment WrinklesWrinkles
If your leather garments become wrinkled, place them on a hanger and gently pull the wrinkles out. Be careful not to overstretch stretch the leather. If this fails, you can try an iron (you're on your own here-Wild Rose Trading Co. disclaims any responsiblity). First make sure the leather is completely dry. Place a heavy brown paper bag over the leather. Set the iron on the lowest setting and keep the iron moving constantly over the paper. DO NOT use steam.
Professional Cleaning
Professional cleaning should only be done when absolutely necessary and again only by a leather specialist. You shouldn’t use a regular dry cleaner unless they can prove to you that they know what they are doing and that they work with leather regularly. Most dry cleaners know a lot more about fabrics than leather. When possible, let the cleaner know the source of the stain so they know what to do when processing. For instance, antifreeze can cause your leather to burn when cleaned. Cleaning chemicals may also weaken cement bonds. Because a slight variation in color or texture may occur, even when done by a qualified professional, always clean matching items at the same time so that the color tones will continue to match. A small amount of shrinkage may occur, but will stretch again with wear. Natural marks and wrinkles may also become more apparent after cleaning.
To find a professional leather cleaner near you go to The Leather Association. All the cleaning establishments listed are members of the Leather Apparel Association.
Leather With A Nap (suede, etc.)
Every once in a while brush your suede with a SOFT natural bristle brush Any spills or stains should be treated as fast as possible with dry corn starch - First blot, not rub, up any liquid still on the surface- then apply a generous amount of corn starch. Let it sit overnight then brush off. To get rid of dried stains that the corn starch didn’t remove, try a gum eraser - Work the spot back and forth in several directions. Be careful not to work the area so hard that the nap is totally removed.
Storing Leather
To avoid drying out, keep your leather out of direct lighting, overexposure to sunlight, or near a heat source. Leather should always be stored in a well-ventilated, warm, dry area. Excess dryness can cause your leather to crack and too much moisture can cause mildew. Don't seal your leather in plastic, as you want to avoid anything that will impair the leather's ability to "breathe." Cover with a light fabric to protect from dust. Never use wire hangers for storing your leather clothing.


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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 04:28:15 pm »

Wow!  Thanks Nolan, Will and Majer. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 12:48:17 pm »

My preferred product for dried stiff or previously neglected leather is a British product called "Ko-Cho-Line" (coach-o-leen). It does miracles on old leather and is a good conditioner for regular stuff.

I also like Saddle Butter as a general dressing for boots etc. after cleaning or just periodically as needed.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2007, 11:36:13 am »

What about New gun leather. Should i condition it? It seems a little stiff to me. But being new to the sport, I'm not sure.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2008, 12:08:37 pm »

Hey Guys,
I have a question about the use of oils on leather.  I have heard and been seeing guys using olive oil on leather and have heard for years the controversy about neatsfoot oil.    I was a food chemist for ~5 years before moving into agrochem and all food oils spoil, forming peroxides as they do.    Do you guys who use olive oil notice any problems after a couple of years?   I have always used pure neatsfoot oil, avoiding neatsfoot oil compounds, with no problems, but my oldest piece is only ~5 years old.   Just curious if any rancid problems have occured.   
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 06:58:45 pm »

Mogo, that's a good question and I am sure some of the rest of us have entertained that same question. I have not had any problems with EVOO or Neat-Lac. Those two being at different ends of the spectrum. It is interesting that you raise this question now as I just read an article by Joel McQuagge in one a my old Western Horseman magazines (June 2007) where he is addressing the cleaning and preservation of tack in humid climates. In that article he recommends Tee See Leather Oil and Lederbalsam over that as a finish.
That being said, I have been told by fellas with more experience than I that EVOO was the leather finish used on saddles and tack historically and I have read articles by contemporary saddle makers that dress their saddles with EVOO when finished. Like anything else, it depends on who your talking to, I guess. We all have our preferences and our whimsies.

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 10:18:50 am »

Within the last year I have seen two old holsters that I made in the '70s, one in the early part and one in the latter.  Both were dressed with neatsfoot oil and both look almost as I made them.  The newer of the two was given back to me but no amount of begging could get the oldest one back.  The boys father, long passed, had me make it for him as a Christmas gift in either '72 or '73  to go with a new Ruger SingleSix.  Both holsters were very plain and appear to have been mostly just kept stored.  As a side note, I did ruin many baseball gloves as a kid by using the old 'soak them in neatsfoot oil' and bind them around a baseball to form a pocket.  It is my opinion that most problems with any of the oils comes form the amount used.  I have even been using Ballistol as a care dressing on my personal leather for about three years now without any noticeable damage.  Very very little goes a long ways here and remember that remaining top coats can effect the rate of penetration.
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